No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum ~ Live Chat

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Endangered Species Act #8662297
09/16/26 07:25 PM
09/16/26 07:25 PM
Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
yotetrapper30 Offline OP
trapper
yotetrapper30  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
Check this out guys.............

Trump Administration Moves to Gut a Core Endangered Species Protection

By Catrin Einhorn

In what would be a seismic shift, the Trump administration is quietly moving to strip a core protection of the Endangered Species Act, according to an internal memo obtained by The New York Times.

Under a new interpretation of the law’s language outlined in the memo, the accidental killing or injury of an animal would no longer be considered illegal; only actions specifically intending to target an animal would.

The change would be transformative because, in the United States, the killing of endangered animals almost always happens incidentally, in the course of economic activity. Until now, industries and individuals could be held accountable for those foreseeable deaths and, as a result, they have been incentivized to avoid them.

At the center of the change is what it means to “take” an endangered animal, something that has long been prohibited under the act.

“A vessel that inadvertently strikes a whale has not taken it, because the vessel’s course was not set against the whale,” states the memo, which was dated Sept. 14 and was distributed to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service field offices. “Felling a tree is not a take of the bats roosting in it unless the tree is felled for the purpose of killing or capturing them.”

Currently, enforcement of the Endangered Species Act relies on a permitting system that seeks to balance protecting imperiled animals with allowing business to operate.

For example, if developers wanted to build houses on a tract of land that is home to endangered salamanders, they would have to apply for a permit. In exchange for implementing some measures to protect the salamanders, and perhaps paying for salamander conservation elsewhere, the Fish and Wildlife Service would issue what’s known as an incidental take permit, absolving them of killing a certain number of salamanders.

The memo, which was signed by Brian Nesvik, the director of the Fish and Wildlife Service, appears to upend that entire system.

The Interior Department, which oversees the Fish and Wildlife Service, did not respond directly to questions about the memo, including why the department was adopting this new interpretation and whether the memo would take effect immediately.

Instead, the department’s media office wrote that “the Endangered Species Act continues to prohibit take of endangered wildlife, including actions that harass, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture or collect listed wildlife, or attempts to do so.”

The unsigned response noted that a recent change that rescinded the definition of “harm” under the act did not eliminate the prohibition on take.

What shocked environmental lawyers was the way the memo redefined the concept of take.

“This is really an assault on the act like we’ve never seen before,” said Andrew Mergen, a law professor at Harvard University who previously worked for the Justice Department, where he spent two decades supervising Endangered Species Act litigation in the courts of appeals.

“What the administration is proposing to do is take all of the force out of what we have all understood the act to mean: Don’t kill endangered species,” Professor Mergen said. “What they seem to be saying in this document is, it doesn’t matter if you killed an endangered species if you didn’t mean to.”

Professor Mergen said that the move amounted to an extraordinary shift in law more broadly, because it has long been recognized that people can be held accountable for actions they did not intend if they should have known better, for example, when it comes to killing people.

The directive follows the administration’s move in July to rescind the law’s definition of “harm,” which effectively opened the habitats of endangered animals to drilling, mining, farming and other development. States sued, and former senior federal wildlife officials under both Democratic and Republican presidents urged the administration to change its decision, writing that the move “will upend the law and lead to extinction for some of our most iconic wildlife.”

But the new memo goes far further than environmental lawyers had imagined when the “harm” decision was announced.

It is based on a dissent in a 1995 Supreme Court case written by Justice Antonin Scalia. The administration has argued that the legal argument upholding the majority decision in that case no longer applies after a 2024 Supreme Court ruling that limited the broad regulatory authority of federal agencies.

Now, the administration appears to be using Justice Scalia’s dissent as a blueprint.

But Patrick Parenteau, an emeritus professor at the Vermont Law and Graduate School, said that the majority of the Supreme Court had rejected Justice Scalia’s interpretation based on the text of the statute itself, irrespective of questions of regulatory authority.

“To say that the law is settled in favor of Scalia’s dissent?” he said. “Absolutely not.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/16/climate/endangered-species-act-change.html?smid=url-share


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton

Every truce is an opportunity to reload.
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662300
09/16/26 07:27 PM
09/16/26 07:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
ColdspringKidd Offline
trapper
ColdspringKidd  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
… what’s the just if it ?

… nobody reading all that copy and paste

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662302
09/16/26 07:29 PM
09/16/26 07:29 PM
Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
yotetrapper30 Offline OP
trapper
yotetrapper30  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
It would allow for incidental killing of endangered species without penalty.........

from a trapping perspective it may affect states that have laws in place that limit their trapping due to accidental catches of lynx and such........

From a business perspective it's huge as it appears it would prevent all the never-ending lawsuits the greenies throw at any company that wants do build or do anything..... ya know, to save the 7-lined yeller belly tree caterpillar and such.

But... it also could actually have negative affects on certain populations of wildlife as well.

So I hope people DO take the time to read it as I am curious what the folks on here think about it.


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton

Every truce is an opportunity to reload.
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662306
09/16/26 07:31 PM
09/16/26 07:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
ColdspringKidd Offline
trapper
ColdspringKidd  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
…. That’s good then

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662309
09/16/26 07:34 PM
09/16/26 07:34 PM
Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
yotetrapper30 Offline OP
trapper
yotetrapper30  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
Yeah, that is how I am leaning....... but I edited it and added some more.


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton

Every truce is an opportunity to reload.
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662313
09/16/26 07:37 PM
09/16/26 07:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Minnesota
330-Trapper Offline

trapper
330-Trapper  Offline

trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Minnesota
Much Progress-Hopefully


NRA Life Member






Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662318
09/16/26 07:41 PM
09/16/26 07:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
ColdspringKidd Offline
trapper
ColdspringKidd  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Yeah, that is how I am leaning....... but I edited it and added some more.


…I’m still not going to read all of it

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662327
09/16/26 07:56 PM
09/16/26 07:56 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
meadowview, Virginia
E
EdP Offline
trapper
EdP  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Mar 2012
meadowview, Virginia
More common sense from the current administration. We need to take advantage of it while it lasts.

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: ColdspringKidd] #8662331
09/16/26 07:58 PM
09/16/26 07:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Minnesota
330-Trapper Offline

trapper
330-Trapper  Offline

trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Minnesota
Originally Posted by ColdspringKidd
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Yeah, that is how I am leaning....... but I edited it and added some more.


…I’m still not going to read all of it

Here we go.We'll pull on DDs belief in himself you said you're still not gonna read it.But I think it's cause you can't

Thank you very much yote. I read every last word and I thought it was encouraging to say the least

Last edited by 330-Trapper; 09/16/26 07:59 PM.

NRA Life Member






Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662333
09/16/26 07:59 PM
09/16/26 07:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Northern Maine
Bruce T Offline
trapper
Bruce T  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Northern Maine
Awesome


NRA,NTA,MTA,FTA

Proud member of NTA
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662342
09/16/26 08:10 PM
09/16/26 08:10 PM
Joined: May 2009
Champaign County, Ohio.
K
KeithC Online content
trapper
KeithC  Online Content
trapper
K

Joined: May 2009
Champaign County, Ohio.
There was a swampy, wooded property on Harshman Road, just a few miles North of WPAFB, that the property owner foolishly let Wright State University stock spotted turtles and a species of salamander on, both of which are considered endangered in Ohio. The property owner later started developing the property, having bulldozers knocking over massive trees. They were arrested and ordered to restore the property to exactly the condition it was before, including replacing 60' to 70' tall trees. They of course couldn't afford to do so and lost their property and businesses in a bankruptcy.

The turtles had no recent presence on the property, before Wright State introduced them.

Keith

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: ColdspringKidd] #8662351
09/16/26 08:41 PM
09/16/26 08:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
north Idaho
W
wissmiss Offline
trapper
wissmiss  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jan 2007
north Idaho
Originally Posted by ColdspringKidd
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Yeah, that is how I am leaning....... but I edited it and added some more.


…I’m still not going to read all of it


Just admit it - your attention span isn’t long enough to read that much at one time and some of the words might be beyond your vocabulary range. Fortunately there are plenty of folks on Tman to translate for you.!!!!


www.usedtraps.com

Please check out my updated inventory of Native American books.

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662354
09/16/26 08:52 PM
09/16/26 08:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Pa
W
Wright Brothers Online content
trapper
Wright Brothers  Online Content
trapper
W

Joined: Dec 2006
Pa
Is there a printed date on this?
Old business?





Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662357
09/16/26 08:55 PM
09/16/26 08:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
ColdspringKidd Offline
trapper
ColdspringKidd  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jun 2026
Texas
… you sass mouthin me Wissmiss?

… if you’re stressed and agitated … I’ll buy you a locklear massage

… I just want us all to be relaxed and get along

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: Wright Brothers] #8662360
09/16/26 08:56 PM
09/16/26 08:56 PM
Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
yotetrapper30 Offline OP
trapper
yotetrapper30  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: May 2011
Oakland, MS
Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
Is there a printed date on this?
Old business?


No.

Sep. 16, 2026, 6:22 p.m. ET


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton

Every truce is an opportunity to reload.
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662364
09/16/26 09:01 PM
09/16/26 09:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2024
AR
J
J Staton Offline
trapper
J Staton  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Dec 2024
AR
Sounds like a good deal to me for the most part.

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662373
09/16/26 09:13 PM
09/16/26 09:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2026
SE Ohio
B
Beaver Knocker Offline
trapper
Beaver Knocker  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Feb 2026
SE Ohio
Sounds good, but it could have a negative effect we don't see, e.g., allowing mining in the Boundary Waters area of Minnesota or something like that. This would have positives and negatives.


Sure, I'm a member of PETA! People Eating Tasty Animals!
Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662395
09/16/26 09:32 PM
09/16/26 09:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2020
New Mexico
C
coytrpr Offline
trapper
coytrpr  Offline
trapper
C

Joined: Apr 2020
New Mexico
As a hard-core conservative who can't stand either major political party, I say this is yet another example of our current residents of the swamp selling out the public interest to repay their big corporate buddies. It's simple folks, no habitat, no wildlife and it's not just happening with species listed under the ESA. Decisions by the current Washington swamp residents are negatively affecting species we all love to hunt and trap. Wake up. As stupid as the full fire suppression strategy dictated by Washington this year, ignoring local professionals, including natural fires in wilderness. Just one bad decision after another in regard to natural resources and public land management. The robber baron era has returned to America. Disagree all you want, wildlife hasn't just been a hobby or a job for me, it's been my whole life since I was a kid.

Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662403
09/16/26 09:41 PM
09/16/26 09:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
MN
160user Offline
trapper
160user  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2007
MN
I think this is good news but I need to ponder it for a bit. It could be opening Pandora's box. So we can build condos on an Eagles nest now? I think the intent is good but there could be some unintended consequences.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Endangered Species Act [Re: yotetrapper30] #8662413
09/16/26 09:51 PM
09/16/26 09:51 PM
Joined: May 2009
Champaign County, Ohio.
K
KeithC Online content
trapper
KeithC  Online Content
trapper
K

Joined: May 2009
Champaign County, Ohio.
There's a great many Americans, who have lost their God given, Constitutionally enumerated property rights because a wild animal showed up on their property and decided to take up residence.

A few months ago, I saw a video talking about hundreds of Americans, who could not develop or use their land because of gopher tortoises being present, in some cases even where the land owner bought the property, before the tortoises showed up.

This is a both situation. Wildlife needs protected and so does people's rights to enjoyment of their own property.

Keith

Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread