Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: Billfrank]
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04/11/07 10:11 PM
04/11/07 10:11 PM
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Asa Lenon
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Gary asked...asa .... not to say ya wrong ... but could ya please explain ? and how did ya know these yotes were the same yotes working the same set with same lure over and over again ?
Every year I always make dirthole sets out around the perimeter of my deer blind so I can watch and see how coyotes work sets when their is no trap to stop them. I have literally watched the same coyote, identified by unique markings, work the same set with the same lure every day for 15 straight days and sometimes several times in the same day. Also, my trapping area is miles of sand and snow where tracks can be easily seen and i've seen the same toeless or peg legged coyotes dig at the same sets with same lure day after day. I have also caught many coyotes after a few days of messing with sets that had missing toes so there is no doubt in my mind it was the same coyote coming back every day. Ace
Last edited by Asa Lenon; 04/11/07 10:13 PM.
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Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: 45/70]
#179362
04/15/07 08:48 AM
04/15/07 08:48 AM
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Brooklyn, Iowa 45 years old st...
k9.
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Anyone who has ever tracked a coyote veyr far in the snow, knows that they will veer over to check out a dark colored object in the field. Black blocks add a better visual than say, a rock. Any rock will work, a dark rock is better.
I think when trying to assess why a coyote has walked by your set there are a ton of variables to consider, with lure burn out being very low on the list. I'm not saying I catch them all, but if he worked the set he should be dead, not walking away habituated to your lures.
Asa and others have nailed it, when pulling your sets remove the object that your lure was on if you can. Some of these lures last a long time, and that is a real problem. I have a place on a coon stream where a large rock blocks off part of the stream. I have for years used it as a place to squirt my fish oil, and set a trap in front of. So much so, that there is a permanent oil spot on the side of that rock, and even in the summer time it puts off a fishy smell. Coons have stopped investigating it. They have gone over there and satisfied thier curiousity, and gotten no meal. This set started getting unproductive, I realized the coon were still there, and not getting caught, so I changed the smell that I was using. Boom, started catching coons.
I think a guy using a smear set, say on the side of a stump or rock, for coyotes, can run into the same problem. He needs to mix up his smells year to year as there is no way he can remove a lure stick, etc. On TBone sets, I follow OG's advice to the max, and remove the bone when I am done with the set.
As far as walkbys go though, many other things factor in. Coyote's mindset/food needs, sloppy set, just not interested, and on and on and on. If that coyote coming by your set is intent on a rabbit that he smells or sees, he is gonna walk by. If he just heard another coyote over the hill and is focused on that, he is gonna walk by.
Asa nailed it too, in that they cannot ignore smells of thier own kind. That is just in thier nature, and they should not become habituated to such smells.
I have always thought I could use habituation to my advantage, but have so far not become convinced that it is worth the effort. For quite a while, I would carry some gland lure with me while checking out new ground. In some locations, you see a spot that just screams out for a flat set. Those natural backings that you know are the top spot for a set. I would smear some gland lure on such places no matter what time of the year I was there. My thought being, to make this a spot that get's urinated and crapped on every time any coyote walks by. Next time he is by, he will investigate it again, to see who else has marked it, and he will mark it again himself.
I am not convinced that this isn't a good thing to do, just have stopped carrying around the gland lure with me, because I am not sure the advantages outweigh the effort to get it done.
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Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: k9.]
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04/15/07 09:13 AM
04/15/07 09:13 AM
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Brooklyn, Iowa 45 years old st...
k9.
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OK I am an idiot. I was only on the first page and my reponse was to that, once I posted I realized theres a whole second page to this thread. However my thoughts remain the same, and excellent post Bob J.
This segment of my post I would like to call "Fun With JTrapper
On the subject of lure burnout, imagine that you are a young JTrapper, say 18 years old, and a girl walks by you. You smell her perfume, and it brings you in closer, luring you in like a Siren's Song. You approach that appealing sight and smell, thinking there may be a reward on the other side of this whole deal. You check it out, you like what you see, you like what you smell, much like a coyote approaching a dirt hole set that has had the trap pulled. You satisfy your curiousity, but as usual, you are rejected by the girl, or in the case of the coyote you have checked out the dirthole, rolled around a bit, but there was nothing there.
Next time J sees that pretty girl, she still looks good, she still smells good, but his curiousity has been satisfied. He knows there is no reward for him there, so why bother checking it out. I think the same holds true for a set where the trap has been pulled, but the trapper has left his lure stick behind.
Darn it Asa, I do not look for reasons to disagree with you, but I have to ask about this. I am not being difficult, I am just trying to learn something.
You post that you have seen the same coyote work the same lure time and time again from your deer blinds. That is evidence that coyotes do not become habituated to some lures. Yet in your earlier post, you talk at length about removing your lure sticks etc when you pull a set. I agree with you, that it is better to remove your lure smells if you can, but it seems to contradict your observations from your deer blind.
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Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: k9.]
#179395
04/15/07 09:59 AM
04/15/07 09:59 AM
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Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Jtrapper
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Your insulting coyote's intelligence by comparing them to me K9, i think you owe all the coyote's in the world an appology lol.
As I stated ive seen lure burnout ONCE and that was on coyote. I adjusted how I do things and haven't seen it since. IN other words it's way way down on the scale of IMPORTANT things to worry about in making catch's.
Those of your that have been around for 30 or more years, remember the fur boom days? Ever notice how less canines avoid set's now days compared to back then? Certain lure's back then were used by every yahoo in the county. Any fox that survived past the first week of opener pretty much would run all over but never go near dirthole sets or the main lure of choice in the area! Pretty much what turned me into a flat set trapper.
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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04/15/07 11:03 AM
04/15/07 11:03 AM
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Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Jtrapper
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That doesn't apply now, the trappers today are better educated and a lot less of them out in the field making bad proceedure errors. Ace
Asa, Asa, lol.
Are you not aware of the 'errors' some have made this past season which has put alot of DNR's and states on the hot seat with the anti's?
Rethink that statement.
And what were you doing following me around in the late 70's? lol. Im guilty of what you wrote there only I didn't know about lure at that time, couldn't afford it is why, was using jack mackeral or sardines for an attactor, possum killing fool i was back then, lol.
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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Re: Lure burn out.........
[Re: Asa Lenon]
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04/15/07 12:34 PM
04/15/07 12:34 PM
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Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...
Jtrapper
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At any rate, ive learned by leaving lure behind on objects and trapping the same ground year after year I DID start to get avoidance. Switch swapping lures from year to year cured the problem so the lure was the problem.
Im not hauling off every rock, stump, broom straw clump, bone, log, etc. i smear lure on from every trapline i run, lol. Is easier to just switch swap lures from year to year.
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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