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Beaver: Footholds with pics #1707388
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It seems a lot of newbie beaver trappers have a hard time with footholds. This is the way I do it. I know some will disagree with some things I'll post, that's fine, but this has worked very well for me. Although the below set is a castor mound, I use the same trap placement and strategy at most foothold sets.

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I like to find a hump or point that is easily seen by passing beaver. The above picture is an ideal spot. The nice thing about beaver is you can usually make the set where you want to catch them. In other words, you can make the set and lure the beaver to where it best fits what you want/need to do. Anywhere a beaver swims by can be a good place. I like to make the set where there is brown grass so my mud shows up well. Although it's the lure that's most important and your main attractor, I think eye appeal (like black mud or a peeled stick) can also be important, especially if the wind is blowing the wrong way. Another thing I look for when setting footholds is the right slope on the bank and water deep enough to drown. Dams are very good places to set because beaver are always checking them and there's usually adequate water to drown them. Most of the time I make bait sets on dams with popple (aspen) for bait with food lures.

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The above picture is the same spot as the first picture only with the finished set. The trap is PAINTED WHITE FOR PICTURE REASONS ONLY. If possible, I like to set my footholds (except TS85's) in 1" of water with shallow water in front of the trap as well. By doing this, I know the beaver will have it's feet down and walking when it hits my trap. This is especially important when using smaller traps (like #3's and #4's) because it gives me the best chance of getting a front foot which I prefer. With the drowning methods I use, any beaver that put's it's front foot in my trap is done. Another reason I set my footholds shallow is because when I used to set deep I was missing the occasional beaver, they would just step over the trap. Especially in the spring when trapping travelers, I only have one chance to catch the beaver or it's gone. Beaver would occasionally step over my trap on approach to my set, and swim over the trap when leaving. I knew this was happening because my bait would be gone or the mound ripped up and the trap would still be set. It didn't happen much, but it would occasionally happen. By setting shallow, I have chances at both front and back feet on approach, and both front and back feet when leaving. 100% chance of it stepping in my trap. Traps set deeper also have a better chance of being sprung by the chest, especially if the beaver is gathering mud to carry to the mound. If a foothold set is such that I can't find a shallow spot to set or can't make one, I'll set a 750 or TS 85 in at least 5" of water an elbows length away (about 18-20") from where I expect the beaver to hit it's chest on the bottom when it approaches the bank. I use guide sticks just like when setting shallow (explained in next paragraph), just farther out.

Another very important thing I do, especially with the smaller traps, are the placement of at least two guide sticks (painted pink for the picture). At 13-14" apart, these guide the beaver's feet right in line with where you want them which is right between the jaws so the trap "suitcases" the feet. I'm convinced one of the main reasons for sprung, empty traps and toe catches is because the beaver has it's rear foot on a jaw when the trap fires. It's very hard to get a good hold when this happens. Especially with smaller traps, the closer you can get the rear foot to land right between the jaws and the center of your trap, the better off you will be. Set your trap so the outside jaw is right against one of the guide sticks, off-setting the pan 4" - 4 1/2" from center of approach. Traps set closer to center will only ask for marginal holds. If you measure a large beaver's width between the legs, you will see they are wide animals. Notice the pink guide stick is at the corner of the jaw. This prevents the beaver from stepping on your trap from the side, and helps in keeping the beaver from springing your trap with its tail if it turns in front of the set. Just make sure the trap chain is below the stick so when caught the beaver can slide down the drowner freely.

Blocking is important! You want the path over your trap to be the easiest route to the mound. The reason blocking is important is beaver like to follow the wind to the lure. Unless the air currents are blowing directly out, the beaver will more than likely go around your set to the lure if there's not sufficient blocking. I've seen them leave the water 12-15 feet down from the set and walk the bank to the lure because of wind direction. You'd be surprised how many beaver you catch actually leaving the set and not on approach without adequate blocking. I use a lot of brush tops for blocking. Brush is easy to use and it can usually be found everywhere in beaver country.

I prefer the 7 1/2" jawspread traps, like MB 750's and CDR's. They are a lot more forgiving of bad trap placement than the 6 - 6 1/2" (#3 or #4) jawspread traps. 750's and CDR's aren't legal everywhere though. #3 and #4 sized traps should ALWAYS be 4 coiled VERY strong. You can't get traps too strong for beaver. Make them as strong as you can set them. When they start to get weak, replace the springs. One lost beaver would have paid for a lot of replacement springs.

Pan tension should be at 3 pounds to avoid muskrats.

The trap dog should be at 3:00 or 9:00, depending on what side you have your trap set on, with the dog to the outside. This is VERY important to get good holds on the rear foot! If you set the trap so the dog is at 12:00 or 6:00, when the jaws come up they will lift the back foot up and out of the jaws, often resulting in toe catches or sprung traps. Stabilize your trap, so it's not rocking, with small sticks or rocks under the jaws and levers.

When not in current, I like to dig the traps down so the pan is level with the bottom. If you do it in current, sand can wash underneath the pan and the trap won't fire when this happens.

I like to use lot's of the blackest mud I can find on my mounds for eye appeal. If there are some freshly peeled sticks in the area, I throw those up there too. I know eye appeal is important and useful, because often I'll catch beaver on both sides of a river or creek in the same night even when the wind is blowing hard from a certain direction. One of these years I'm going to try not using any lure on some sets just to prove this point. I also use a stick of popple at most sets. It's optional though. At least here, popple is like candy to beaver, and can help in attracting up onto the bank. All beaver don't go to the top of the mound. Especially smaller beaver, like 2-year-olds, sometimes will just go near the edge, get a whiff, and leave. For that reason, lure should be at least 18" from trap, more is better. If the lure is at the water's edge, it's easy for a less aggressive beaver to investigate, and possibly have it's curiosity satisfied, then leaving without stepping in your trap. They often circle out from the trap and set. If the lure is farther back from the water's edge, you have a better chance the beaver will need to go to the bank to further investigate, and into your trap. Bait helps get them to commit also.

IMO quick drowning is very important, especially with smaller traps. I know there are good trappers that don't drown their beaver and I admit it's not always necessary with 7 1/2" jawspread traps and in some situations. But with #3 and #4 sized traps it's a huge advantage. I've always said a dead beaver on the end of a drowner isn't going anywhere, a live beaver still has a chance. The end of the drowner preferably should be in 4' of water or more. It's 4' from the nose of a large beaver, rear leg caught, to the drowner. With hind foot catches with the smaller traps, you want that beaver under water as soon as possible. Beaver can live a long time with just their nose sticking out of the water. You can get by with less water with larger traps, which often give you better holds, but I personally seldom set a foothold with less than 3 feet of water to drown. It only takes 5-6 minutes for a beaver to drown. They burn up oxygen fast when fighting a trap. If you can keep them underwater for 6 minutes, they're done. If the water's not deep enough at the end of the drowner to keep them underwater, every time they can come up for air it gives them extra minutes to fight the trap. And they fight the trap violently. That's why it helps tremendously, especially when using smaller traps, to have at least 4 feet of water at the end of the drowner.

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Drowning rods make life much easier for a beaver trapper. I like 1/2" rebar or stock rod, 10' long on average. Some are 12' and a few are 8', but 10' get's me into deep enough water to drown in most of my set locations. Just stick the rod into the bottom as far as you can push it, stake with a 24"-36", 1/2" rebar stake and you're through. I've never had a rod pulled out. The only problem with rods is they can be hard to get into a rocky or hard bottom. They're not for every situation. MTP sells a kit called the "Bauer no-weld" system if you don't want to make your own locks or have access to a welder. All you need is the rebar and the kit. Carbon or fiberglass rods are great if you have to carry them far. The problem is they lack the necessary backbone to get the terminal end in far enough in hard bottoms. You don't have to get the end in the bottom however. If the bottom is too hard to get a rod in, I use a homemade "j" shaped rebar stake or two "T" stakes, one on each side of the drowning rod near the top. With the rod staked a little further up on the bank than normal, and the two "T" stakes at least a foot down on the rod, the two "T" stakes or the "j" stake keep the rod from swinging side to side or up. The beaver eventually tires and drowns.

If I'm trapping on a road edge, I often use weights with cable (usually 1/8") or #11 soft wire where theft might be a problem or I can't get a drowning rod into the bottom. I consider 45-50 pounds about right. You can get by with less on softer bottoms. Any less weight and you run the risk of the beaver getting slack in your cable or wire and not having the drowning lock slide properly or at all. I make weights from concrete test cylinders filled with concrete and rebar bent into a "U" shape for a handle. 50 pounds carries easily this way. 6" plastic pipe, cut 12" high, would also work instead of the test cylinders. Just put two side by side on a flat surface, fill with concrete, stick the "U" shaped rebar in and let get hard. Others use feed sacks filled with rocks or sand at the trap site. For those far back places though, I just use 3"-4" saplings for stakes cut at the site. They must be the kind that beaver won't eat though.
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I like homemade "L" drowning locks. Swivels work too, but the holes are too small to suit me. The bigger holes I have in my "L" locks are big enough that they slide past any twists or kinks that may be in the cable or wire. You can't drill too big a hole in the lock though, or the lock can slide back up the cable.

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I make my cables (1/8" works best) adjustable on the top end. Just drill two holes close together in a large washer. I use the hole in the washer for rebar and the cable loop itself for larger stakes. Most of the time I use a 30" 1/2" rebar or approximately 2" wood stakes I find on the dams for my top stake. I make my cables about 13' long, with a loop on the end (double ferrule) to attach my weight, stake, or Pogo.

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Another drowning method I use is with Pogo's. It works great and I use it all the time when I need to haul a lot of traps some distance from the truck. The system works like this:
I attach a 12-15" section of snare cable (usually used cable from used coyote snares) to the rivet (J-hook) of the Pogo. I use either the 2" or the 1 1/2" Pogo's depending on the soil. Then I attach an adjustable 1/8" drowning cable to the other end of the 12" section of used cable with a single piece of 16 gauge wire. Just run the wire through the loop of the end of the drowning cable and the loop of the 12" section of used cable ONCE and twist tie.
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I made a long driver out of a barn scraper. I cut off the flat metal end and welded on a 1/2" X 2' extension. Then I welded on a short replacement Pogo driver to the end of that.
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I just wade out and push the Pogo into the bottom where I want to drown the beaver (preferable in at least 4' of water). You'll get the feel of how deep the Pogos need to be pushed in so they don't readily come out. If you have rocky bottoms, you may need to try a few places before you find a spot that you can get the Pogo in between rocks and into the bottom far enough. I use 1 1/2" Pogo's in firm bottoms.
Then after a catch is made, just pull out the top stake of the drowner and pull on the drowning cable. I insert a sturdy 12" stick into the adjustable cable loop for a handle. Sometimes the Pogo comes out, but usually the 16 gauge wire breaks. I pull while kneeling on the bank because when the wire breaks or the Pogo comes out, it comes suddenly. If the wire breaks I lose the Pogo and short cable, but they're cheap. You have to pull hard to break the single strand of 16 gauge wire. Harder than you think. I've never had a beaver break it. Only use a single strand and single loop. You can easily haul a bunch of cables and Pogos in a pack with your traps, you just have to carry the driver. I use 2" sticks from the dam for the top stakes. The system works great where weight or lot's of equipment to haul is an issue.



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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1707402
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You really worked on this one...

THANKS.

Excellent post my friend.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: BoyerWNC] #1707408
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Can you tell I was bored today? LOL. Too cold to do anything outside.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: BoyerWNC] #1707411
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I now understand the drowning rod.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: BoyerWNC] #1707412
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Better than another hay set!


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: BoyerWNC] #1707424
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Hear you there, Boyer.

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: BoyerWNC] #1707436
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Good post goldy. One of the better ones i've seen on here. Richard

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: U.P.trappermark] #1707444
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VERY VERY GOOD POST!!!

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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: Richard Slight] #1707460
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Thats about the same as i do goldy. Good post.

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1707462
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Very nice post! Sure helped me understand alot more


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1707472
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good info.

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Good post Goldy!

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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: redneck_cowboy] #1707487
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Great post, thanks for taking the time to share.

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Originally Posted By: Denny Emery
Thanks goldy, you took some time and effort to put this post together for sure. Thanks a lot!

Where did you put the lure at?


In the hay, behind the casor mound...

I could'nt help it..

I'll shut it!

I copied your info and saved it Goldy... Thanks again.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: Saskquatch] #1707495
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Nice looking set.


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Thanks for taking the time and effort for the post Goldy. This grasshoppa understands now. Helped out big time. Archives please!

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i wish the water wasnt froze or i would go try it out


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Thanks man!


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Excellent post, well done.


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Great info thanks for the post

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Great Post! Good job Goldy! Nice to have you around.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: Muskrat Fever] #1707582
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Denny, I usually put lure at least 18" from the water's edge for the reasons stated in the main post. I tend to use beaver lure liberally.

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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: mr. finch] #1707602
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Thanks for the post, now i have an idea on fottholds for beaver. This is a very informal post and should be archived.

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Thank you for the post.

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A few more questions if you do n ot mind...Do you dye your trap or paint it black...or does it matter? Also, do you cover it all with mud/grass or is it just exposed underwater like the pic shows?

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted By: RackDust
A few more questions if you do n ot mind...Do you dye your trap or paint it black...or does it matter? Also, do you cover it all with mud/grass or is it just exposed underwater like the pic shows?

Thanks again.
It doesn't matter. I either paint or use speed dip. I don't cover the trap unless I know I'm after trap-shy beaver.


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Originally Posted By: Denny Emery
Thanks goldy, one other thing, have you ever splashed water up on the mound after you applied lure to get a wash of scent going from the mound to the water?
Denny
In moving water I don't see how it could ever help. It would be washed so far down stream by the time a beaver moved it would be worthless. Although in a pond, I guess I could see it maybe working and stirring a beaver up.......maybe. I've never done it and it would be hard to prove it did work. Most of the time beaver sets are set where they are easily found by beaver anyway.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1707717
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Great post Goldy. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps this needs to be put in the archives and saved for posterity.


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Originally Posted By: Denny Emery
I guess I was sort of thinking that a beaver has so much smell on its body that if a real beaver had made the castor mound that you are mimicking that it would have left its scent as it either exited or entered the water, not just a little spot of lure on the mound.
I misunderstood your question Denny, sorry. I thought you were talking about putting lure on the water so the scent would "float" across the water like some people do. I'm not sure what you are saying would make a difference in success though.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: USAFtrapper] #1707778
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I wish I had seen a post like this when I first tried my hand at beaver trapping.

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Great Post and wonderfully illustrated ....Thanks ...

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Great post Goldy

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Another way besides a drowning rod is to use chain drowners, you can use the same lock as with the rod and I use two tie plates (weight is 25 pounds or so)

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nice post, have used it more than once, but I am a blind setter, above and below the dam, or house, thats where I trap, only allowed 14 so go for the big ones


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: davec] #1707901
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Tim, I have yet to come up with a lock that slides smooth enough or quick enough on chain to satisfy me when using smaller traps. I know they work themselves down the drowning chain eventually, but it's too slow to suit me when using smaller traps when they are caught by a hind foot. I know others use it though and like chain with 750's.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1707979
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I've never had one hang up on the chain, but I do only use 750's. You're probably right on the smaller traps. I've watched beaver get caught and they down right fly down the rods and chain!

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How about wire or cable for drowning...any pics?

Some great ideas and pictures allow it to hit home sometimes.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far...

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: RackDust] #1708017
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So do you think a #2 duke would work? lol Must have been to cold to go fishing today? Great post by the way.

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this is a great post looks just like how i do my front foot catches. now what about back foot catches? how deep do guys run? and how far from the bank? and maybe offset? i had horrible luck trying for the back foot this year...

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Thanks Randy.

this is the one thing I really struggle with. I can pile beaver up using conis, but I can't get any consistency with legholds-

I think I try to set them too deep- When you are setting in one inch of water you are after a front foot, correct?

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Originally Posted By: michael_obrien


I think I try to set them too deep- When you are setting in one inch of water you are after a front foot, correct?
I prefer the front foot, but setting in an inch of water doesn't guarantee a front foot catch. I'm guessing it's about 60-70% front foot catches with the way I set them.


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Originally Posted By: Beartrapperbeef
this is a great post looks just like how i do my front foot catches. now what about back foot catches? how deep do guys run? and how far from the bank? and maybe offset? i had horrible luck trying for the back foot this year...
If I have to target a hind foot, I set just like the above picture but with the guide sticks farther out in at least 5" of water, about 18-20" away from where I expect the beaver to hit it's chest on the bottom near the waters edge. The theory is that when it hits it's chest, the beaver drops it's rear legs down and into the trap.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1708261
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this post should be archived,imo.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: cathryn] #1708486
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Wonderful and informative post Goldy. I almost swore I was looking at one of my sets. The only difference being the mound. I haven't bothered to make a mound in a few years now and haven't noticed any difference in my catch. I just make a quick swipe up the bank with my glove and place my lure............ Some like their lure to touch the water and flow down stream or out over the surface. IMO this is some what of a mistake. I want that beaver coming in to one specific location, not searching up and down the bank for the source...........Regarding chain drowners, I went to welded link and the lock slides down very smooth and fast. I do leave just a little slack in the chain which helps the lock bind up better on the chain.

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: Dave Plueger] #1708500
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Very nice Goldy, great job. Is it spring yet?


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Originally Posted By: Tim Caven
Very nice Goldy, great job. Is it spring yet?
Not yet Tim, but I'm already getting pumped.


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I agree Dave, the lure is by far the most important attractant. If I know theft may be a problem, I've even gone without using mud at all to avoid attracting thieves. It would be interesting to see what would happen with no lure and just a lot of mud though. Someday I'll try it.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1708639
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Great post Randy!!!

BTW...It cant be spring yet as I have not done any lake trout fishing yet!


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I'm not even a beaver trapper, and found it VERY interesting. Its posts like this that makes this site GREAT!!

Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1708658
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Originally Posted By: goldy
Originally Posted By: Beartrapperbeef
this is a great post looks just like how i do my front foot catches. now what about back foot catches? how deep do guys run? and how far from the bank? and maybe offset? i had horrible luck trying for the back foot this year...
If I have to target a hind foot, I set just like the above picture but with the guide sticks farther out in at least 5" of water, about 18-20" away from where I expect the beaver to hit it's chest on the bottom near the waters edge. The theory is that when it hits it's chest, the beaver drops it's rear legs down and into the trap.


so a beaver is not real shy to blocking sets? when i make my foot hold sets i never have used much for guides, guess this info will help me greatly!!!

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In my experience, the vast majority aren't at all afraid of blocking or guiding. There is always the exception though.


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Originally Posted By: Marbleyes
Great post Randy!!!

BTW...It cant be spring yet as I have not done any lake trout fishing yet!
It would have been a little chilly out there today Mike. Hopefully this weather will change in February and March.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: Tim Bauer] #1709039
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Originally Posted By: Tim Bauer
I've never had one hang up on the chain, but I do only use 750's. You're probably right on the smaller traps. I've watched beaver get caught and they down right fly down the rods and chain!


The only time I have had trouble with chains is an area with a lot of vegetation. When the water level has risen out of the channel and perhaps into a hay field or pasture, chains will sometimes foul quicker.
While I prefer rods , there are just times the structure below the water is more conducive for chains.

Excellent Post Goldy !

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Great post...the extra effort you put forth to illustrate this set will help a lot of people. I'm thinkin' spring too but probably will have a long wait.


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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: MnMan] #1709316
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Great post, one question, you said you like to set your traps in an inch of water except TS-85's. I use Ts-85's and #5 lonsprings. Should I not set these that shallow? Also, I bought some 3/8 ths rebar yesterday do build some drowners. Have you tried 3/8ths or should I get some 1/2 inch. Again, Great post. Also, I snared my first beaver yesterday, Caught a bunch in coni's but success with snares has not come as easy. I am fired up about snaring now and plan to really step it up. Thanks, Adam


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I have not done well with 85's set shallow. It seems the levers and jaws are so big that they can throw the front shoulders/legs out of the trap. Set deep though, they seem to be fine.
3/8 rebar gets bent up too easily with much use. It soon looks like a straightened pretzel and bends easier ever time. Plus, on hard bottom set locations, you need the extra stiffness of 1/2" to get the end into the bottom far enough.


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Thanks, I'll pick up some 1/2 inch.


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This is a great post!

However, do you have problems w/ coon and otter getting in your traps setting that shallow? I think I've read in the past that you feel like you may miss beaver setting deep for a back foot.

But, it's been my experience that setting shallow, even with heavy pan tension, will increase you catches of coon and otter (sometimes even muskrats if pan tension isn't right).

I sometimes have no choice but to set shallow and the biggest problem I have is coon...generally they're pegged by either both front or both back feet.

I prefer to set deep for a back foot catch...8-10 inches.

But, whatever floats your boat. smile

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Nice post goldy, and I like Chain also... but the smoother chain and a Conduit' lock instead...

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Kre. I have very few problems with coon and otter. I might get one coon a year average, but I don't do a lot of beaver trapping in prime coon area either. I catch few otter on castor mounds, at least in relation to the amount of traps I set. It's not enough to worry about.

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Re: Footholds for beaver (pics) [Re: goldy] #1709400
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Hey Boss Man this needs to go to the Archives. Great post with a lot of work put into this & nice sharp pic's.


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Originally Posted By: bluetickkid33
great post very informative... i also have only #5 bridger longs so will those break a front foot or are those ok?
They won't break a leg. In fact, some of the older #5 Bridgers need some power boosting. I put old springs from #1 1/2 longspring traps inside the springs of the Bridgers to give them more power. I'm not a #5 longspring fan though, and they take too much room to bed properly to suit me.


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Thank you Goldy.

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Randy,

Do you feel it is important to hav the trap sitting level, or if the bank where the trap is going is at an angle do you leave it?

thanks!

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how far do you set your trap from the bank? also, what do you make you drowning L lock out of?

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Originally Posted By: michael_obrien
Randy,

Do you feel it is important to hav the trap sitting level, or if the bank where the trap is going is at an angle do you leave it?

thanks!
Michael, most of the time the trap is level, or close to it, because of the shallow water in front of the trap that I prefer to get the beaver's feet down and walking. If the bank is too steep, I just find another place to make the set, use a snare, or make a shallow place in the bank with my boot or shovel.

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Originally Posted By: jdw
how far do you set your trap from the bank? also, what do you make you drowning L lock out of?
I make the "L" locks out of 3/4" flat steel. I'm not as concerned about how far from the bank as what depth the water is. I don't think it makes much difference how far. I do want the trap at least two feet from my lure though. If the lure is right at the waters edge, you can miss some beaver. Some less agressive beaver just take a sniff of the lure, without completely leaving the water, and swim on. Some circle and circle in front of the set, maybe going as far as the waters edge, without leaving the water. If the lure is 2' or more back from the water, the beaver are more likely to hit the trap when getting a good whiff of the lure before moving on. But that's the main reason I use bait at a castor mound too, it's another draw for less aggressive beaver. Bait sure doesn't hurt.

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