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Building a small cabin #1771344
01/27/10 07:32 PM
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I plan on building a small cabin to use some during trapping season, but mostly during the rest of the year. My question is should I dig down abit and put maybe 2 rows of cinder bricks, or put the cinder bricks on top of the ground. I need to level the ground anyways, so some additional digging would be a big problem.

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771363
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I'm not an expert on log cabins, but I do build houses if I were you over dig and place glavel on both sides of the block, and I don't think I would use open web block seeing that you dont have a flat surface like a footing and it may sink if the ground gets to wet. and the gravel will help with getting the water away from the wood.


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771364
01/27/10 07:41 PM
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It would be best to get the base of the building below frost level. That prevents the building from heaving and settling during the freeze/thaw cycles. If it is just going to be a shed on top of the ground with a dirt floor then it probably wouldn't matter much. Also starting below grade helps to deter the critters from digging out under your walls and taking up residency in your cabin. It's your cabin do what ever flips your skirt! smile


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: bic] #1771372
01/27/10 07:44 PM
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Sorry, I also wanted to put a cement slab under it, the cabin size might be around 12X12 and maybe 9 ft high at the center ridge pole.

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771389
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If you started with a reinforced concrete floor poured on top of a gravel base you should be fine on a 12 x 12 structure. That is a design that is sometimes referred to as a "Floating Slab"


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: bic] #1771399
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Ok, thank you. Would a 1 foot of rise for 3 feet of horizontal roofing be fine?

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771416
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I would recommend putting a thick (mm)plastic sheet down underneath the slab.Prevents sweating of the concrete. Also a raised foundation helps with water any problems (Just my two cents worth )


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: huntntrap] #1771486
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close but no cigar, a floating slab is one poured inside concrete blocks,like a garage floor,the slab rests on a bed of gravel,hence the name floating slab.To support a stracture you will need a concrete footing the bootom of which must be below frost line,the concret slab can be poured at the same time,plastic is a good idea,be sure to check with local building codes.My real life job is finihing concrete.

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771796
01/27/10 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: verminater
Ok, thank you. Would a 1 foot of rise for 3 feet of horizontal roofing be fine?


More like 3' rise to a foot of Horiz, to carry the snow load you'll be getting. A high roof allows shorter walls or makes for a good storage area.


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: BigBob] #1771873
01/27/10 10:05 PM
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Man your lucky. I would love to have a trapline were I had to have a cabin to check it.


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: BigBob] #1771883
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Thats way to steep BigBob, The attic/roof would be 18 feet tall on their own, the walls may be 7 feet high and maybe 4 feet to the top of the cabin.

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1771938
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I said shorter walls, go with 1:1 then, but what you said is too flat.

You talking shed or peaked roof?

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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: BigBob] #1772031
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Sorry I misunder stood, a peaked roof. Ok that sounds fine. How long should it take if I work on it alot and have a friend help me some. grousehunter, my trapline isnt long, I would just like a cabin to camp in some during trapping season. Maybe in the next couple years I might expand it.

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: verminater] #1772250
01/27/10 11:34 PM
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Depends on how much snow you get there, but on that small a structure a 3/12 or 4/12 pitch will be more than adequate. I usually build in this area with a 6/12 pitch. Steeper will look better and give you more room though.


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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: white17] #1772264
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Wouldn't local building codes require frost footings?

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: white17] #1772280
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You need to look at your building codes - you start pouring slab's and such turns it into a "permanent structure" and will require building permits ect..Don't know how involved you want to get - just trying to give you a heads up ...

Re: Building a small cabin [Re: Idtrapper] #1772603
01/28/10 02:19 AM
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Whatever you decide to build, you GOTTA take lots of pictures of the process and start a new thread here with updates ... I think that's the kinda thing a lot of us would really enjoy seeing.

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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: Hover-Lover] #1772626
01/28/10 02:38 AM
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when we done ours, we built it above ground-(crawl space underneath) 16 X 24
with the 3 to 1 pitch you won't regret it-LOFT!!!! makes a
very nice sleeping quarters & warm. the 18 ft ceiling is really nice but since ur doing it smaller I would go noless then 14 ft ceiling point
the walls you can defer to whatever size you wish for height.
we have three bunkbeds down and two beds upstairs...
i built it from logs on the property & taking 6 months for completeing; thats scraping all the logs(bark free)
and treating them also.
I treated the under cabin with creasote and the only problem i had was porkypines;inwhich we ate some and throwed the rest.
when complete, bleach logs (they will turn completely white)
then clear coat. i used a spray gun(pressure washer) for doing it.
if ya need more i have a book in my files..........
also, you drop it down on a foundation you are required to have a permit! & permits! to update to all codes....
being off the ground it is considered moveable.........

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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: bearden49] #1772694
01/28/10 03:56 AM
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I am no expert but I have built a few buildings in my days.
If it were me, I would start with digging down around the outer edge, where the outer wall will be for a footer. Dig down below the frost line. I like to dig a little deeper and fill back in with sand packed hard. I also like the bottom of my footer to be a few inches wider than the top of that is possible with your soil. So you start by marking off your square your floor will sit on, dig down the floor to the level you want plus the thickness of the concrete plus a few inches for sand. Fill back in with sand to the depth you want. Then dig the footer aroud the outer perimeter to below the frost line. If you are planning any interior walls I dig another footer where the interoir wall will be, but on this size of cabin that is probably not necessary. Then add rebar to tie it all together then pour the concrete.
The concrete guys on here will know better than I would know..... this method might be oveerkill for your size of cabin. So take their advice over mine.
Next I frame the outer walls and stand them up around bolting them down to the concrete. Around here we have a serious termite problem. I like to sprinkle a little spetricide or other termite killer around the footer, under ground. I use treated lunber for the bottom of the wall frame. You could get moisture between the concrete and the wood. Make sure the concrete does not extend out past the wood, this will give a place for water to run in. Also termites don't like treated lumber as well.
As far as having it dug below the ground a little or raised off the ground, it depends on your preferance and your location. have it level with or below the ground be careful of water flow. You don't want a flooded cabin floor!
Next, are you going to leave the floor concrete, or lay insulation sheets and plywood over it? Check into the cost of the different ways.
Another way to do this is to dig a footer. Just a trench below the frost line. Bring the footer up to ground level or taller if you line. You can either go with cement blocks on top of the footer, or form the footer all teh way to the height you want the floor to be. Then using 2x8's frame in the floor, then lay the plywood strudyfloor down. One downside to this is the expense of lumber, flooring, and insulation. This may or may not be cheaper than cement. Make sure you insulate the floor well if you do it this way. You will have critters living under the floor doing it this way so make sure the crawl space is tall enough you can crawl in and set traps. This way would be much better if you have deep snow and to keep things dry when the snow starts melting.
For the size you are talking you could also build it like a deck. Dig a hole every 4 feet and set a 4x4 treated lumber post in concrete in the hole. Your holes will have to be down below frost again, but this will save on concrete. Then set in 2x12's across each of the rows of 4x4 posts. Then frame the floor with 2x6's running the opposite way of the 2x12's. Build up from there just like a deck. This method you could get the floor of your cabin a few feet off the ground, not have a tight crawl space for critters. The floor would need to be insulated better, but would be protected.
Carpenters on here could probably tell you weather or not this way would be good or not. I know it would work good, but for long term durability someone else can probably advise better than I.




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Re: Building a small cabin [Re: Possumslayer] #1772826
01/28/10 08:26 AM
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Take pictures..I'm thinking of doing that myself one day.

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