http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD8wfFxZkR4&feature=youtube_gdata_player I've found this to work the best

Well it's not like I've not done it exactly like you show it, because I have. More than half will jump as soon as they get two feet up that tree. Now once they are large enough to keep up with mom, you can relocate them just about anywhere. Kind of neat how nature works. If they're big enough to keep up with mom, it's too late for her to come into heat again. If they're too small, she'll have another litter.

We relocate them to the CO 2 chamber in Ohio.

I guess if I lived in Ohio I would too. Not much fur value in Ohio

LOL,,,,,,,,LT is right,,,,relocation of a problem animal is just not right,,,,UNLESS you are taking it to the deep,,,,deep,,, wilderness were no one can be bothered and it is legal,,,,,,,

Ya lord forbid a person would get a coon problem

Vinke, we've relocated some female raccoons so many times that my wife knitted them little sweaters with their name on so we can tell them apart. ( Edith had quadruplets again this spring )

State law !


We skin our share of ringtails during season though...
A CO 2 tank doesn't effect fur value. How do you think most mink ranches dispatch mink ?

I, for one, would be glad if MI made it mandatory to euthanize all nuisance and depredating wildlife. No relocation.

Co2 is the way I would go , I dint know it was state law in Ohio , Its not here .i got chewed out by a CO last year because I was releasing coons , I just told him that's what the customer wants , it's funny how the DNR will take the side of the general public over the people who pays him in this state , the DNR gets paid buy lic sales here and gets no money from the state tax . To be honest it much more easy for me to just cut them loose , if I lived in the city I would have to use the co2 . We can't let them go there , I release out in the county and still get the DNR called out on me . Most likely it would better for the general population of coons if i did put them down . Don't get me started on raising mink if been wanting to get into mink farming for some time , wish they would let me coon farm . The state just outlawed pig farming , you can't raise pigs that have a straight tail

Why?

While I've been supportive of both sqs and K8 ( he just dropped a degree ) I have to easily give this one to sqs. I never ever want someone telling me that I have to take a perfectly healthy red fox and destroy him just because the government says so. Why the next thing you know the government will require mandatory health insurance. ( Now don't all you conservatives get all cocky. The one thing that Obama got right is that we are already paying for the uninsured )

In MI, raccoons can be released in the same county as they were captured....provided that you have written permission from the landowner. State Land or random country land is not a viable place to release (DNR will prosecute). If customers want animals relocated, then buy your own land. The economy is providing great opportunities....

And how do you know this?

It's called habituation... A animal that learns to use human dwellings for shelter and rearing of young will obviously be quick to do it again if evicted, common sense would tell you that!

Have you taken a look at the study referenced by RF Wildlife, found at http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post3095632 ? Some interesting reading in it.

Perhaps homes should be built to keep critters out.

I've written this more than once Dave; if every home were built like mine, our company would be in big trouble.

It is easy to blame the critter for getting into the home....

Thanks for that link Ron. I had not read it. Although interesting, it doesn't really answer my question. The study isn't about relocated animals. It's about animals released on site. And even being released right on site, only half the den and resting sites were in a human structure.



It would be interesting to see the results on properly relocated animals.

Without facts, "common sense" would tell me to keep an open mind and not jump to unsubstantiated conclusions.

A GOOGLE search for some of the references cited in the study will bring up some additional information, i.e., http://chavesextension.nmsu.edu/documents/2012-nmsu-extaniscideptnewsltr-jan--hdh.pdf . That was one result of my search for Toward a professional position on the translocation of problem wildlifeWildlife Society Bulletin 26:171–177. Within the GOOGLE searches are found additional links to more information.

http://www.berrymaninstitute.org/journal/spring2009/gammons_mengak_conner_sp09.pdf

Some of these references are a little too deep for my 72-year-old brain to totally encompass. Too much information!!!

Perhaps someone could come up with the Illinois study. ( I think it was the University of Illinois that did it? ) They collared about eighty raccoons from various areas and also caught a bunch from the release area. They let them all go and tracked them. If I remember correctly the study didn't prove what they wanted it to, so it doesn't get mentioned very much. For one thing, no more relocated raccoons died than if they hadn't been relocated. ( I'm sure that wasn't well accepted ) Another thing was, some raccoons went nearly ten miles before relocating themselves. Of the twenty or so raccoons that were caught in the release area, only one left the area for good. All the rest stayed there. I guess you can keep having studies until they finally prove what you want them to prove. And yes, some of the chimney raccoons went back to living in chimneys but then that's what caps are for, aren't they?

P.S. This is just what my 69-year-old brain could remember so I could be little off on some of the facts.

I guess the study show they will walk 2 miles before they even stop , now woodchuck seem to stick like glue because I take them to this hay field and after about June is over when I pull in that field it kinda looks like a penguin colony with all there heads sticking up , wounded if I could sell guided ground hog hunts

PW... The Trapper and Predator Caller had a STUDY PRINTED IN THEIR MAGAZINE...that stated only 3% of relocated raccoons survive !

What would the local population of raccoons do if I dumped a few hundred raccoons into their habitat ?

You people who go dumping raccoons and squirrels into an already saturated habitat are doing NO ONE a favor !

Raccoons carry distemper and in most cases, unless it's advanced, you can't tell it unless you hold the animal, which then in many cases, the stress of being held captive will cause it to show itself.

IMO....Animals caught inside homes should be destroyed. Grey squirrels are just rats in a cuter outfit and I kill hundreds every year. Same with raccoons.
I'm getting the feeling we have some animal rights people trying to mascarade as nuisance trappers.

YOU CAN'T STOCK PILE WILDLIFE !

Like I said LT; you just keep having studies until they prove your point. That 3% study was a crock and everybody knows it. If you released your raccoons in the middle of the expressway, more than 3% would make it. I may have killed as many raccoons in my life as you. I don't ever disagree with someone who kills everything nor do I disagree with someone who releases ever thing.

One of the very first things that the Wildlife Specialists told us was that nature's way of handling over population was smaller litters. We have more raccoons than ever before and our litters have increased by one on average. So much for that theory. We are also seeing more litters of five and six squirrels than ever before. If I ever feel that I'm having a negative impact on any of the wildlife populations in my area, I will certainly change my ways.

I've looked for that Illinois study you mentioned Paul but I've had no luck. I'll keep looking though. There does seem to be very little scientific information on the subject available on the internet.

There's plenty of opinions concerning the relocation of wildlife and that's fine. When I find someone with a strong, rather inflexible opinion I always hope it's backed up by facts. That's why I asked. I'm looking for as much information as I can get before making a decision.

In the meantime, seeing that it's legal to either relocate or euthanize in my area, I'll keep doing both depending on circumstance. It's nice to be able to make a decision like this rather than having the government require one or the other.

I believe that the study Paul W. is referring to was published as Survival and Movements of Translocated Raccoons in Northcentral Illinois - Journal of Wildlife Management 63(1):278-286- http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/38...sid=56007723253 . I cannot find it online. A quote from JSTOR website-


EDIT: The article may be available here- https://bookstore.wildlife.org/Details.cfm?ProdID=87&category=

When was a kid I grew up watching Al West ww2 vet ,He was on one of the 32 navy subs that we had going into the war ,it was also the oldest and slowest sub we had and one the 8 that servifed the war , thought I would throw that in because I herd all the story's but anyway he's past now . He was in the wildlife control biz . He took his barn and turned into a giant coon cage were he kept all his coons together to the fall came . These coons all lived just fine and had no problems keeping them I good health . The problem he did have was he like to show them to people and seeing he rented out the other barn to a fur buyer that was a lot of people . So finally some one did report him and he got one big ticket and he stoped his coon farm . He also sold the company not sure if he lost his lic or not over the coon farm . Back then it was control by the mi dep of agg . This also could be looked at as a test case . Not saying anybody should start a coon farm or what he did was right

Thanks Ron, you're always there to help. I read the abstract and it clarified what I got wrong. 31 raccoons were released in 1993 with radio collars and 45 in 1994. The ones that were released on site, stayed on site and the ones that were translocated left within hours or days. There was no difference in casualties in any of the groups. They felt that their study proved that translocation was an effective way to reestablish populations.

They also felt that translocating a large number of animals to a single area could cause problems. We have always felt that releasing too many animals in a given spot was counterproductive. Once again, what works for us may not work for you. Common sense should always prevail.

Yeah, fatten them up, then skin them !

This is a fur trappers site the last time I checked !!!

Fur trappers don't fatten stuff up ,that's farms and witches

I don't know what Pesky is doing with them but I throw them out the window for the predators. I figure that I'm probably responsible for the upsurge in muskrat prices. All you need to do to make opossum hides valuable is don't sell any. Pretty soon everyone will want them.

Promise ?

Well so far I've talked to a bunch of opossums that would like to keep them.

Everyone here seems to be batteling to prove they are right, when in fact there all right. Paul makes a good point with litter sizes being smaller when the animals have food shortages. And LT. could also be correct with the animals not surviving in the strange wild habitat because they will fight to protect resourses.
In my opinion, its all over available chow for the masses.And city critters are differant than woodsey critters. The urban setting has an unlimmited carrying capacity because of trash, dog food, and every house is a hollow tree just waiting for a bunch of coons or squirrels to move in to. As long as everyone is fat and happy, there will be no conflict.
I have watched turkeys, raccoons, and fox eating out of the same food pile within 10 feet of each other, and the fox minded his own with the coons, and the turkeys didnt look too worried either.
When the fields in the country are picked, then the scraps are picked up by the critters, we begin to see the shortages. Maybe then things are more competitave, and the relocation thing would be a bad idea for mr. coon, but 3 % is still better than 0% and you dont have to wash the blood out of the truck every day.
I personally dont think anyone here cares if LT. kills his catches or not. We here in Wisconsin are allowed to relocate under certain conditions, and i dont care who likes that or doesnt.
So to put it nicely, I wish you girls would stop fighting, you're both pretty. LOL!

I wish I had a 1000 rats to send to canada right now it would buy a new truck most likely hard to say what they will bring in the may sale . I know they hit 36 at the last one . It's nice living in the area that has the best rats in the country , I was just showing how I relocate coons that's all . This has inspired me to wright a email to the Michigan DNR asking if we could do are Owen study by tagging are release animals and find out where they end up , maybe daveK would wright a letter for me seeing he has the skills at letter wrighting . We should all wright in asking to start ar owen program . This study would have know sides to it. Wouldn't cost much and just think what we would learn . The DNR has been asking for volunteer help , if they tried to change are rules we would know if it was good or not . If I trap muskrat out of season for damage control they must go in the garbage we can't even use them for bait not say I wish to use them for bait in the summer time ,they make great bait in my pocket sets come dec on

Most are,,,,,,,,it is time and reroofing/rot/specified gap/,,,,,,,

I gotta agree with ya there Vink. Especially the re-roof thing. I cant count the times I saw the gaps created by a slap hammer that made it a purfect bat cave.

We had this boom of custom house built here , the big thing was lots of roof lines and put as many reverse gables on the house as you can , well this
left all these spots were they left room to tuck singles under the over hangs were these roof lines meet . That's we're the holes are just like a big bat funnel or bird house,it also makes a good spot to start a hole , then this plastic ridge vent which is not even made for a roof over 6 pitch , if it's not warped the sun has got brittle or no end caps . Then these can vents with the floating screen, then the screen on the gable vent o boy the list goes on its beautiful

"if it's not warped the sun has got brittle or no end caps. Then these can vents with the floating screen, then the screen on the gable vent o boy the list goes on its beautiful".....William Shakespeare

Yes, I wish the State of Michigan would require mandatory euthanization of all nuisance and depredating wildlife. It is just my opinion based on things I have seen over the years. But since my health has prevented me from working I could really care less. I was just voicing my opinion.

At one time I was translocating 200 - 400 coon a year. As a good businessman I had several farms that would let me translocate wildife to their property. Many of these had coon hunters and trappers working them during the open season. I stopped translocating raccoon after getting phone calls from neighbors to these farmers complaining about raccoon problems. At one spot the father of a buddy of mine asked me if there was an over abundance of coon that year. I asked him why he wanted to know. He said that he had shot 30+ coon in the late afternoon that year traveling down his river bank from the direction of one of my release farms. Another reason why I stopped translocating raccoon was because I have seen the effects of distemper on a local population and I can't tell a sick coon from a healthy one if it is in the early stages and I don't want to be responsible for translocating a disease. Besides, the raccoon population is in no danger of becoming endangered.

Additionally, if I were still able to do this type of work, it would make life alot easier if all I had to do was tell my customers that the State requires euthanization of all nuisance and depredating wildlife. Then if they didn't want the animal euthanized I guess they didn't really have a problem to begin with.

Alright Paul, you can downgrade me to what number now?

Explaining to your garbageman why you needed two more garbagecans and why they each weighed 300 pounds would be the hard part.

LOL. Or use a Frigidaire "holding pen" and meter it out throughout the year.

We could all become masters at making it look like an accident or animal suicide. " Dang crazy raccoon just jumped off the overpass onto the freeway in rush hour traffic, then 6 more followed him"