You got that right !! How many times have we seen a licensed/certified/trained roofer do a roof that looks just as bad. Some guys just dont care one way or the other. No amount of training is going to fix stupid.

In the spirit of picking it apart....It looks like the problem was that the bottom of the soffit was missing.

The good operators need to put their energy into GROWING....not arguing. Be aggressive...and squeeze 'em. You will feel better.

Rick turn them in for ethical violations. Contact Charles Holt if you want to correct the problem. Stirring the pot won't fix this.

I doubt they are certified the program is pretty new Rick! If you think they are a consumer problem weed them out.

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MOM! Somebody made a mess out of a bat exclusion! Come look at this!

remember that bats use echo location,,,,,,,If the sound goes thew it,,,,,the bats will be confused a subsequently be confused...........

My first question is did it work? I'm not referring to the exclusion on the whole project, but just this one area.

It does look like an over application of materials if you look towards the J channel of the siding which would result in the mess we see if the surface temperature was too hot for the product used. It also looks like this is a standard method used by whomever did this. I'd even say that this isn't a temporary fix, but a permanent one that may or may not have the "tube" removed. I'm not saying I'd do this or train to have this done this way, but also without being there when the client is told what to expect, and seeing the structure before any work was done I like to hold my opinions and give the benefit of doubt.

Jordan is the one that took the picture so only Jordan can answer how old this is, how big it was, if any bats/openings were found behind it and how often he encounters it.

@Vinke, I don't understand what you mean with your post. Are you saying that bats only use echolocation to navigate so if the area isn't solid they cannot find the openings?

Eric, as you know, moving a colony of bats is very easy. to do a thorough job to eliminate ALL entry points can be the difficult portion of the job. This particular job is 8 years old. They do this type of work on.... I see this on tons of homes.... it may not look this bad on all homes but still looks like crap. I found 2 entry points and placed one ways, returned 10 days later and removed them, sealed the area up. 2 spots where the siding j channel rides along the shingle, this met more siding. ( both sides of a bay window) This is horrible craftsmanship.... WE NEED REGULATIONS TO WEED THESE NUMB NUTS OUT!!!!

while on a structure they are following a draft (air flow).

if sound get though it so does air

Hey Jordan,

I trust you and your evaluation of the situation(s). The picture you posted makes me groan but without your input I don't want to really make comments because I don't really know the story as you know it. I agree with most of what you have said, but I do disagree that regulations will weed any of this out. There is a similar issue with bats that happened in NY. Because of the actions of a few, some individuals want to make all wildlife control operators have contractor licenses (you Michigan guys can decide if you need the license or not, I'm staying out of it). I've said this before and mean it. You can be the best trapper/bat excluder in the world but if you can't talk to people you won't stay in business whereas you can be a terrible trapper/bat excluder but if the people love you, you'll have more business than you know what to do with.

What I'm saying is that just because you have a license, it doesn't mean you can do a good job or that something doesn't go wrong at some point. I understand the frustration as every year I am called to homes that still have bat issues and all I see is expandable black foam. Sometimes it's trimmed, other times it isn't. Go two feet away from the hardened foam and there is the opening the bats are using. I always feel sorry for the customer but when you press them, it almost always comes down to it was cheaper. Once the project is done, then the owner begins to notice how bad it looks and the amount of work required to fix it.

I think what you are referring to isn't licenses, but rather professionalism. The professional will look at educating themselves so they can offer the best products and services they are capable of and practice their craft. They will stand behind their work/methods and do they best they can to remedy a problem situation. They educate the customer and set the proper expectation levels and work with the customer for mutual satisfaction to the issue.

As with most things in life, professionalism isn't something that can be regulated into a person or business. How do we make this industry strive for this goal? I really don't know as most efforts I’ve seen have failed. It is kind of like dealing with a person with an addiction. Until they admit they have a problem AND want to change it, there just isn't that much you can do.

this is the quality of work this particular company does..... ruining the house's appearances. I still believe that if there was a licensing process for bat removal with a nice fee, it would weed these guys out. PRICE is a huge motivator deciding which companies are hired....

Just what everyone needs is more government getting their fingers into our lives.

But Bob, if you can get the government to limit your competition for you, wouldn't it be worthwhile?

You know....government is not the answer. However, NWCOA needs a webform or process for the public to report members that are not returning calls or ripping people off. Somebody....set it up!

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first you want the government OUT of our business... now you want them IN our business.. im so confused... i wish you guys would make up my mind...

LOL...

Sarcasm wiggler, sarcasm.

You're right. I think government regulation and those who seek it, will ruin the wildlife control industry for both the tradesman and the customer.

There's something wrong with a business plan that includes petitioning the government to limit your competition.

i agree 100%. Im all for education... im NOT all for the other guy TELLING me what he wants me to know. And if i dont play bye HIS rules... im not allowed in the game. What a crock!