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problems with 1216 on beaver #3402188
11/03/12 12:43 AM
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This 1216 from MTP closes completely without a gap between the jaws but twice I've had it sprung with nothing in it. Once there was only a beaver toenail and the other time it was wrapped up in some sticks but there was no hair between the jaws. There is an awful lot of free space in the trap opening that isn't "covered" by the trip wires regardless of how they are bent. I'm thinking beaver must be getting through far enough that they are held momentarily by the tail maybe? but end up pulling out. I haven't used this sized trap very often and I'm about to retire it. Smart beaver are a bugger to catch. Any thoughts on this?

Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3402296
11/03/12 06:10 AM
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make the trigger wires longer and bend them to fill up the trap more


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3402347
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Put a stick on either side of the trigger and narrow the opening.


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3402350
11/03/12 07:51 AM
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I have caught lots of beaver and held them by the tail.Sounds like some lucky beaver.Guiding will eliminate this problem in most cases.

Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3402425
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maybe could be rats also,I had 4 of these last yearand had more sprung empty than had fur


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3402930
11/03/12 04:56 PM
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Sounds like you need to tune the trigger and dog.

How much does the trigger travel b4 flipping the dog? If it's more than 1/4"-1/2", I'd tune it.

The sticks make me think beav was travelling with them in his mouth, and they set it off.


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: traprjohn] #3403702
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The trap was off to the side of the den hole and caught up on some old dead branches on the surface in 3' of water. No sticks in the trap. Something had been caught and there had been some kind of rodeo. I replaced that trap with a 330 and had a 50 beaver there this morning. I'll check on the play in the trigger wire, but I think it is set to go off quickly. Thanks.

Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3403786
11/04/12 01:02 AM
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My experiences with the 1216 are similar, but no clear answers, maybe rats, trigger and height? Had wondered if anyone else had sprung traps. A number of years ago I bought 4 of the 1216's and used them at the same time along with 2 dozen superbears. The 1216's are a bit different, like a Savageau, and I have not taken the time to understand the trap fully and don't have a handle on exactly what is happening, yet, but hope to. I too have experienced sprung traps with the 1216's, more than expected or was acceptable and then put them aside quite a while back, but will not pass judgement on them in any negative way just yet without spending some time with them. With anything new or different there is often a learning curve, sometimes requiring adaptations or modifications, which may be quite simple or easy to make in the end, but will make a huge difference in results. Making a conibear trap bigger seems simple enough, a change minor in nature it would appear, but it does not always translate into what you believe will happen in catching, distances, speed. I like the 12 inch height for clearance, but have seen no problems with the 10 inch height with the superbears or standard 330 size.

Years ago, before superbears, I made a couple of 1218's. They worked but were junk really, compared to the new traps. Very glad to see Kaspars Superbears. I have also made a couple of monsters, even larger than 1216's, 1416's I think, for no other reason than having a welder and time, but they too were sprung a lot and got mothballed for another day a long time ago and need a revisit with a new trigger at the very least.

I have had two 1216's next to the welder for a month and need to get to them. In the not too distant future I'd like to revisit the 1216 trap and do some modifying on the trigger to make it mimmic the trigger on the superbear more closely, a trigger I like very much. The superbear trigger is stable, consistent and with the right amount of travel. Centered as it is in both directions when set, the superbear trigger seems to fire correctly as the traps take beaver, otter, and rats with no trouble and relatively few misses when placed correctly. The superbear is a great rat trap, just a "little" overkill. Took 60 rats in superbears by accident one fall at $6 ea. so imagine no one minds $12 rats. Unlike a swim through cage trap with a deeply recessed trigger, which makes a sprung trap less likely, in the set position a conibear trap is a flat surface that reaches out to make a catch, offering more chances for a miss.

From experience in trying every new trap I could, engineering, building and altering traps, I am less apt to quickly toss a trap onto the scrap heap without at least making a solid attempt to understand what is happening, usually by going back and duplicating something that has been proven and going from there.

I think together we can get to the bottom of the problem and end up with a trap to use with confidence.

Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Jim Comstock] #3405983
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I bought one 1216 to use in those special deeper water situations on den holes on rocky streams where I couldn't drive in guide sticks. I use a 330 spring clamp base (MTP)to help hold the trap in upright in place and X sticks over the top of the trap as best I could get them into the freestone bottom. I figured the extra width would provide more room for error if the trap wasn't exactly dead center on the bank den hole run. I've had 1 catch and two set off by beaver in the few times I've used the trap. In trapping over a hundred beaver with 330s, I've only had two set off by beaver and probably 8 set off by muskrats, fish or other unknown smaller critters. I'm very hesitant now to use this trap in depredation situations where a smart beaver is "trouble".

Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3406286
11/05/12 01:11 PM
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Make sure they cannot crawl over the top. As far a sprung trap. There are many forms of life in the water. Fish, turtles, muskrats and mink. I have had a muskrat by the nose and tip of tail. Fast current with heavy leaf/sticks flowing downstream has caused many trips for me.


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3414561
11/09/12 03:18 PM
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Goldy on this site had a good post a year or two back about these issues. he had a fix but i dont remember what it was, maybe contact him


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Re: problems with 1216 on beaver [Re: Ole] #3414740
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