guess I didn't keep it as simple as the first statement stated.... imagine that!

Well spoken Justin. Two thumbs up!

You touched on one thing Justin. No party or administration has fixed imigration or the debt or any other difficult issue because it is all about getting re-elected. Our politicians of both parties serve themselves and not us. If a canidate steps forward and tells us the truth about our situation, the people vote him out because the majority of the people can't handle the truth on what needs to be done.

Tom,

I would agree with that too! People like fiction, reality is a tough pill to swallow, life is tough and for many of us a long road filled with both good
and bad.

When I hear all the reports about what was spent to elect not only presidents, but congressman, senators and others, I wonder how many others think
we need to change this practice?

How can folks not see money can sway or buy elections and always has, and these days we are hearing numbers that are hard for me to wrap my mind around, yet we have so much debt?

People pay in to their parties to hopefully get what they want out of the treasure chest.

I will be the first to admit that the more I learn about anything that is politically contentious, the more I realize how little I know. Again most people won't admit that.

I was listening yesterday to a specialist on energy discussing the tar sands oil pipeline from Canada. I was thinking, hmm...sounds like maybe that will go forward and we'll get some cheaper gas, but then the specialist was asked, will we get cheaper gas here in the states?

The answer was, you will have a hard time tracking that and the heavier crude will go to diesel and be sold to Europe?

hmmm? More to learn, before I could make a decision....

Justin

you guys... this is nothing personal against you guys... just pokin Robb.. i should be the bigger man and drop it.. but Robb is so much fun to play with.. and i cant read these 2 page posts.. and Tom... if i bug ya on facebook I can solve that.

No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers *** No Politics

Refer to the top of the forum page. Have we forgotten what the ADC forum is for? Personally, I'm ready for this thread as well as other "political debate" and "president bashing" threads to die out or be moved somewhere else. Moderators?

X2 - Though I think the No Politics if you look at Trap Talk ever, is one that isn't regulated or followed at all...

Maybe in our smaller ADC forum it could be enforced to move things back to wildlife damage management and
all things ADC.

Justin

sorry... im done.. no more from me.

Al I can't believe you unfriended me because I simply called you out on what you were doing. I didnt' say anything untrue. Don't get me wrong, you have the right to do it. Just seemed like a lot of contradictions and unhealthy anger there. Heading up your way deer hunting now.

Hey Mike, I have to really disagree with you on this one! And I certainly hope that the moderators agree with me. Although the presidential election may not have very much to do with our business, more local politics can surely affect our business. ( Ask anyone from California )

While wiggler and I may disagree, we are not enemies. I have learned more about Justin talking politics than I ever would have in a face to face conversation. What Justin said is the absolute truth. The Republicans ( Of which I am one ) pretend they are so Holy and pious, and then you find out it is all connected to money. This broke my heart when I was a Democrat but it will never break my heart again. I understand that almost everyone running for office, has the good of the people on his mind. Then he or she gets elected, and all bets are off.

Do you really think that head of the CIA wanted to have an affair a couple of years ago? It is not just the love of money that is the root of all evil, it is mainly power! In the end, it is not what you wanted to do that counts, but what you actually did.

No problem Paul. I see this stuff in the newspapers, on TV, plastered all over the internet and then here and I have just had enough. Oh well, I guess I just don't have to click on the thread anymore. Perhaps the moderators should just take the "NO POLITICS" off the header. ;-)

Yeah Mike, you're probably right. While most of the topics on this site have more to do with trapping as a pastime, we on this site are primarily businessmen. Politics, especially local politics, can have a good or terrible effect on the welfare of our business and consequently the welfare of our loved ones.

I guess why close the thread... no one seems to be out of line and no one is hating one another yet ... every one seems to be respectful

Believe it. He likes Margarine and I like butter. We figured that out a few years ago. He has never accepted my FB request in 3+ years. Wiggler has always disagreed with me.

I was raised by Democrats. I grew up in a pro union family. My dad's family built cars or made steel and all retired with handsome retirement checks. The labor unions in my lifetime have bled manufacturers financially to the point that the only thing left to help the Laborer was to get rid of the cost of organized labor. "The Unions"

I also believe giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

IEFW


Florida became the third state with 25,413 Signatures and GA, AL, Tn and NC should all have over 25,000 signatures sometime tomorrow morning or earlier .

Texas 83,729 Signatures Louisiana 30,607 Signatures

................ and its not all just angry white men.

It is time to knock off some of this nonsense. The thread will slowly work its way off the active forum and will then be deleted. The BOSS, Paul Dobbins, has stated, many times that political posts must be related to the mission of the site.



There are many “political” forums on which to state your opinions. If there is something political that affects ADC operations, please post it.