In Oregon a free permit is required But, you have to take a test from a 90 chapter manual, score 80% or better, be approved by the area odf wildlife biologest where you want to work, monthly trapping report. Some outlaw WCO's don"t know all this is required.

But there is where I believe you are wrong Dave.

The regulations will "NOT" be determined by "US" the regulations will be determined by them. NWCOA can show up and push for whatever they want but when politicians look at the numbers (2000 +or- for NWCOA) or (500,000 +or- for HSUS) who do you think they are going to listen too? So you are hurting the industry by starting the fight.

Sure you might get what you want (a test and have to pay a fee) but you will also get what you don't want and what HSUS does want. Look to the other States and see what is happening there.

Do you think I like seeing Critter Control driving down the freeway with cages piled up higher than the ladder rack and a raccoon sitting on top fully exposed in a thunderstorm? NOPE! Or how about the 19 jobs I did this year that Critter Control left babies (both squirrel and raccoon) in the attic to die and stink the whole house up because its their policy they don't go into attics. But they are a huge sponsor of NWCOA who is pushing for these regulation changes. And I am pretty sure Critter Control has training and probably annual training for their franchisees. So this whole "better competition through training" is garbage.

This fight will some day make it to Wisconsin and I hope I am long out of the Industry when that happens or else I will be up front fighting against the organization I have been a member of. And I am pretty sure that will raise some eyebrows on why its own members are fighting against them.

Nate, the cool thing about Wisconsin is that we are so proactive. I'm pretty sure that we've had a test that has just been waiting in the wings for enough money in Madison to do the testing. This is our test and if you're a moron you won't get a license. We don't plan on changing any of the rules and if your doing ADC work for anything other than money, you won't need a license. It's not something that we are pushing but if any outside group starts anything, we are ready.

I know I have heard that the test WWCOA put together isn't designed to keep competition out, instead it is designed to just prevent the true customer from coming in contact with the guy who is trapping for a six pack.

Without nwcoa type laws in WI, there is a void to fill by outside influences.

Outside influences have much more influence than NWCOA does or ever will. That goes for any and every State in the Union. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Money and numbers talk and NWCOA don't have either one compared to the other groups.

Maybe someday that will change but it won't be in my lifetime. It is only a matter of time before you will be told how to do your job by HSUS. And as long as NWCOA is pushing States to come up with Regulation they will be influenced by HSUS and that is a fact.

hmmm.... interesting

So if nwcoa does nothing the other groups will go away?

No. It's a case of, no matter what NWCOA does the other groups will never go away.

of course not. But as in my State the other groups are doing nothing and that is because "nobody" is doing anything. But as soon as "ANY" group starts something those "other" groups will make sure they are heard.

Sometimes no action is the best action of all.

This thread was not supposed to be turned into a NWCOA thread and I don't know how it took that turn but it has gotten WAY OFF COURSE!!!

Sometimes a strong offense, is a good defense. But, I suppose everyone has their own opinion. Time will tell...

Very true Dave. I know we will never see eye to eye on this subject and all I can do is hope that the organization doesn't take their agenda nationwide. I would hate to have to fight against a organization I am a member of.

I hope NWCOA grows and gets strong and someday can fight against HSUS and the other groups but that day is long away and I think until that day comes they need to stay defensive not try to be offensive.

Thomas Jefferson said: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. A wise man!

Yeah, taxes are no good.

I have to agree with Nate from Wi. It is not the people that are being service by ADC operators that are complaining about poor service. It is from out side sources. This came from the Dept. of Wildlife. I am only guessing, but I would say it is from full time ADC operators and business men.
I am one of those small operators. Just a few raccoons, skunks etc. Moles are my bread and butter.
I am retired. My over head is low. No workmen's comp, insurance for myself and employees etc.
I will tell you this, and I am 100% sure, that if and when you open up regulation for public comment the HSUS,PETA or some other group will be sitting right there. I am a member of a group
of sportsmen that had regulation in 1975, the regulation were 6-8 pages. Over the years, the same small group of sportsmen have regulation that are 22 pages long. Nothing and I mean nothing can be change unless
it is approved by this outside group. One of the importuned item in the regulation took 23 years to get past these people. One of the thing that the Wildlife Div. does not know is demographics of the permittees. This should have a big effect on regulations. The old saying money talks and shi$$ walks
I will not be around to many more years. As I see it we the (ADC) are our worse enemies. JMO