Okay, I'm going to add a new topic to head down another road here.

How many folks trap before they net or exclude a home, office or building?

I ask because I finally ran into a situation where the birds were more than willing to stay
due to a couple of factors that I should have seen up front.

My question is more related to what is your protocol if your willing to share.

Do you mandate trapping before exclusion to ensure resident birds are gone and won't
linger, or do you exclude first..............?

I've learned a ton from pigeons in the last two years and do every day, but still curious
about what others are up to in this regard?

Justin

One-ways for pigeons are simplicity itself. If they're inside a building, do it just like a bat job. The only concern is squabs (young) left behind. There can be quite a few, and removal is pretty mandatory if so.

Dave,

How about canopies or roof top installations of netting, etc...? Most of my bird issues are where they are taking refuge from the extreme heat
by using AC units, ducts, of course dormers, etc... While some of these the second they are blocked it seems they give up, others they seem to
fight to stay and lingering after I clean a surface isn't in the program and costs me to make it right (which I do of course).

I actually just did a little clean out that was my first "inside the building" type, but only droppings from when the building was opened at one point.

Most of the net suppliers seem to push the idea of trapping program followed by netting, yet I want to sell exclusion without messing with traps if
possible, so was wondering how many find it necessary to trap or problems arise.

If that makes sense,

Justin

[quote=HD_Wildlife]Dave,

they are taking refuge from the extreme heat
by using AC units, ducts,
...hey, why are your customer air conditioning the outside?!
Seriously, in high-pressure situations, exclusion alone might not do the trick.

Justin,

We do some commercial properties, mostly food grade chemical plants where we trap the pigeons but the structures are too complex to net (we have quoted netting but it's cost prohibitive to the plant manger). We've removed hundreds of pigeons from these properties via trapping.

As far as netting jobs, we will sometimes trap first if there is a good food or water source nearby that is a secondary attractant. We don't want the pigeons moving to another place on the same property to roost.

Sometimes it's not necessary to trap if there are other roosting/loafing areas nearby as long as they are at a different address!

John,

Thanks for the response, I know what you mean about structures and costly nature. We've really try to think of every
possible method for some places but sometimes it is too costly and trapping though recurring in nature is an effective
option to reduce the damage.

A recent job I had that spawned this thread is one where I believe I know what I did wrong. It was a flat roof canopy net
with support poles and the building next to this one was the same height. As soon as I installed this canopy the birds had a higher
perch even though it wasn't steady and firm, they liked it enough to hang out and be a bother. Luckily my client is a great guy and
he was just thrilled that I have continued my effort to make sure it is resolved.

But it made me re-think the idea of not trapping first. In the future I'm going to use a wider eye to review my sites and I think with
birds that is highly important, as you say, water, food or other draw nearby and you are in for another world of problems.

Thanks for the feedback.

I haven't done any pigeon work in years but to me I've always wanted to be able to take as much pressure off of the exclusion work as possible so yes I would usually advocate population reduction as a part of the package. I know it may not be mandatory but better safe than sorry and the fewer birds the client sees the less likely for a call back.

Good point David and I think that is why the suppliers favor it too. In the case of this last one, I think I made the site
more attractive for roosting and loafing even though I removed their nesting ability. Live and learn, I own some pigeon
traps, so might have to start building that in.

I would ,,,,,,, but I have a hate for pigeons.............

best business practiced would tell you to move the to the next area,,,,.//..............

here they are covered under the "structural pest clause",,,... (bunch of fagets that need to be euthanized)

Hi all, my name is Richard, i live in Regina Saskatchewan Canada about 2.5 hours North of Minot North Dakota.
I have been working with Pigeons for 3 years now. and am getting very busy this year with bird work.
I know every job is different. Their is never any two jobs that will be the same. I find it really depends on how much pressure there is on that building or area..I work closely with Bird Barrier out of California. as they have just about every tool and deterrent/exclusion to use.

I am going to a Pot Ash Mine on Friday to do a visual and take pics for trapping, exclusion and birth control introduction.

I've netted pressure areas of 20 pairs and have had 100% success and others needed a air rifle.

I do lots of trapping and exclusion. One thing for sure the Pigeon population is not getting any smaller in North America.

Welcome, Richard! How are the Pats?

Well their President just resigned.. other than that dont really follow. are you from Canada??

No, but sure like Canada and am nuts about hockey.