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Photos and a well written contract! #3802392
05/16/13 12:11 PM
05/16/13 12:11 PM
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HD_Wildlife Offline OP
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Anyone doing this any length of time is already likely in this realm and this won't be a tip for them. But if you are new to this as I am to this particular aspect of wildlife management I've got a case I just went through that could have been a very negative outcome.

I just finished a large apartment complex pigeon exclusion, all swamp cooler ductwork parapets, all stealth net product installed to exclude the birds and of course clean up prior to installation.

I don't always carry a true camera around anymore, as frankly I've dropped so many in the last two years that my wife pretty much ruled it out! smile

However my iphone takes great pics, plenty big enough size wise for proposals and summary reports and thus, I take tons of photos (way more than I think I need) and download them into iphoto at home each day or week depending.

So this exclusion / mitigation was for 5 different buildings and a multitude of nets. I organized my proposal by each building and parapet and give the issues for each on the summary based on my inspection.

Now where the issue comes in.

I finish the job about 10 days prior to their annual swamp cooler tune up, where they replace filters and such. So they start on building #1 and mention to the manager that there are pigeons there nesting under one of the units. The manager is thinking, but we hired that guy to exclude building #1.

What he fails to see is that in the proposal I inspected that pit and showed photos of it being free and clear of issues at the time of inspection (this doesn't mean a pigeon which can turn a new area into their own personal property overnight can't turn up at any time after the inspection).

I did work on building #1 but what they needed and received was exclusion of their large company sign that is mounted on the front of the building. There were 4 nesting pairs in this structure and it received bird wire on top to prevent loafing/roosting and exclusion netting and materials around the sides and other entry points.

Additionally the gutter which is under this structure was full to the brim of droppings and the roof was coated leaving this to fall below onto the walkways and stairs of the units. This was all removed, cleaned and remedied as requested and as performed.

Now, when he called me to inquire why his guys see a pigeon nest as he knew this building was an issue, I mentioned calmly, this building was a problem because of the sign and explained how many pairs were in this. I also said, let me look at my pictures and reports and I'll get back to you. I didn't argue with him or get uptight.

Upon looking at home, I had a series of photos that showed this parapet was free and clear, I had photos from under each unit and all nooks and crannies pigeons tend to use.

The result, a bit of explanation, an extra page of photos added to the before and after summary and I still have a happy satisfied client.

So my tip is, take lots of photos and have an airtight contract written to explain exactly what you are, and even what you aren't doing.

This place has 20 buildings, with 2-3 parapets on each building, they all have pigeons, but only those I worked on were enough of a problem that they tenants were complaining. Their goal over time is to block all these areas and complete a complex wide eviction.

(Disclaimer - Some might say this would be remedied by removing the birds before exclusion, I can tell you that each building of the 20 has pigeons, more than enough to fill the voids, all looking for places to nest, so while lethal might remove some "pressure" you'd be doing a lot of that just to get enough reduction to maybe reduce pressure in a case like this one and no telling where the new pair came from, though I suspect they moved 30 feet from the primary problem area.)

My main point, is write a tight list of what you are doing, keep to that list as best you can, and remind the clients when they are signing up what is and isn't included and above all what to EXPECT afterward!

Justin

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802404
05/16/13 12:19 PM
05/16/13 12:19 PM
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...and make sure the GPS is turned on. Then you can verify the date, time and location of the pic.

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802420
05/16/13 12:31 PM
05/16/13 12:31 PM
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Good addition Mike! True true!

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802527
05/16/13 01:56 PM
05/16/13 01:56 PM
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North Carolina
A picture is worth a 1,000 words!

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802695
05/16/13 04:16 PM
05/16/13 04:16 PM
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Georgia
Had one attempt a charge back on his CC. Diller job where the diller must of played in traffic as no sign was seen of him during the trapping period. Never caught one and none returned but the client still felt he hadn't gotten his monies worth.
Submitted my service aggreement, clearly delineates work to be performed not animals trapped, and geostamped photos of the clients yard with my traps in place for each of the trap checks.
Actually I never met the client as he was on the left coast and everything was handled via email which included the service agreement and photos sent each check. The "paper trail" on that job made for an open and shut case.


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Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: warrior] #3802712
05/16/13 04:24 PM
05/16/13 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: warrior
Had one attempt a charge back on his CC. Diller job where the diller must of played in traffic as no sign was seen of him during the trapping period. Never caught one and none returned but the client still felt he hadn't gotten his monies worth.
Submitted my service aggreement, clearly delineates work to be performed not animals trapped, and geostamped photos of the clients yard with my traps in place for each of the trap checks.
Actually I never met the client as he was on the left coast and everything was handled via email which included the service agreement and photos sent each check. The "paper trail" on that job made for an open and shut case.

Nice!
Are we to assume that since the diller played in traffic that its mental processes are of interest only to historians?
Justin, a $60 phone is pocket-friendly and won't ruin your day if you drop/lose it.


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Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802746
05/16/13 04:41 PM
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Dave,

I agree! I had bought a small point and click with a nice little wide zoom, cheap but solid, weirdest thing happened and it ended up not closing anymore...just one for the "boneyard."

This last year I paid to have a canon powershot and a leica both refurbed after stupid incidents. I won't tell you what my wife calls them! smile

I have an otterbox for my iphone and glad to have it, thing is incredible and takes a beating so the phone doesn't!

Haven't upgraded to the iphone 5 yet, though thought I could ask the phone how to do bird and bat exclusion and see what comes back, great for those long desert drives!

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802753
05/16/13 04:44 PM
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My wife has a Hemorrhoid Polaroid that will only close with TLC.

Last edited by Dave Schmidt; 05/16/13 04:46 PM.

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Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3802882
05/16/13 06:33 PM
05/16/13 06:33 PM
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Dave, we all know about your wife's pain the butt. She could get rid of it with a simple operation. Unfortunately she can't because she still loves you.

Re: Photos and a well written contract! [Re: HD_Wildlife] #3807450
05/20/13 11:10 AM
05/20/13 11:10 AM
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D'oh! She laughed at that!


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