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I was hoping by asking the questions that I lead off with above to get a better idea of the impact then just shooting from the hip.

Personally I feel WS lost nothing because they offered nothing for the WCO to gain.

Here are those questions again.

If this becomes law how will this law personally affect your business?

What percentage of your service area includes communities smaller then a population smaller then a population of 50,000?

What percentage of your business includes rural operations? large rodents including beaver, muskrat and nutria.

How will paragraphs 1,2,3 and 4 affect your business.

Quote:
For the purposes of activities authorized under the Act of December 22, 1987
(7 U.S.C. 426c), the term "urban rodent control" shall mean actions to
directly control mice, rats, voles, squirrels, chipmunks, gophers, woodchucks,
and groundhogs in a city or town with a population greater than 50,000
inhabitants and the urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to such a city or
town, except actions involving: (1) federal agencies; (2) government entities
engaged in a cooperative service agreement with APHIS to provide direct
control of rodents as of October 1, 2013; (3) a state in which direct control of
the rodent species has been expressly authorized by state law, rulemaking, or
a local jurisdiction's ordinance promulgated by public notice and an
opportunity for public comment or as otherwise promulgated as required and
authorized by the respective state or local law; and (4) railways and airport
air sides areas. APHIS will refer all requests for operational assistance with
"urban rodent control" from private entities such as home and business
owners and associations to the private sector.

Robb,is this law for a single state with possibility to spread or for all the US.If nwcoa sat back and allowed it to happen this would be very sad.I'm a part time operator and yes it would affect me.

This is to be the law of the land for the whole USA.

Was nwcoa aware of it before hand or did it go under the radar.I know tonight's podcast is on a different subject but will this be talked about.I'm just at a loss right now- devastated.

General statement to a broad audience: See that is the thing...when you point fingers...there are four pointing back at you. Are you a member?

Rugged-quoting PROLINE from another thread. Yes they were intimately involved with PESTT. ProLINE is the founding President of NWCOA and held that position for many years.


No DAVE not a member. In Jan 2011 I refused to stand on the same stage in NEW ORLEANS with USDA WS and any organization who recognizes the USDA WS expertise (sic)in public. I have yet to have had a good reason to join ever since and short of a new Executive Board don't see it happening anytime soon.

Truthfully what would be the difference they don't want members opinions just their money.

If we discuss PESTT tonight it will be after the main show and not recorded.(after 10PM EDT)

So as a group of adc guys...we failed. Failed to unite...work together...get involved...contribute...and be smarter than the gov. And, there is not a chance that it will change. Bunch of stubborn trappers we are....

More losses to come.

Well I will stand behind and support what ever guidance and direction that comes from TIM Julien and Eric Arnold (Two past Presidents)in the future.

If they want to do a hostile takeover and slam the membership with new members to support a new direction I am all for it.

No Dave I disagree.We do need to unite to make sure this don't happen again somehow someway.If nwcoa isn't the way then we had better figure it out.Bats will probably be next.Sorry I offended you Dave,just looking for answers.

In this case, we remain a fragmented group. Your going to need everyone to be successful. You have a common interest with the guys you dislike. It takes money....

No Caca . lol

I have repeatedly asked for the last 3 years to resolve the fragmentation . I even invited all parties to our Rondi in Moultrie GA last year with this in mind and guess who never even responded to the invitation?

Rugged...I am not offended. I am just sad that y'all can not support this industry. This is an uphill battle and we are going to lose. If we all had some common ground, there might be a chance.

I pay my dues to support the guys that are working their butts off to beat this stuff. Hey, if there is even 1 guy that you like in nwcoa....you owe him your support. They volunteer, while we are making a living. Good for cc for requiring franchises become members, they get it.

NEXT? Rugged they have been doing bats for awhile. This was dated Apr 5, 2011 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtt7nHznEa4

I can honestly tell you board member's with the name Charles are AWESOME but those words and a dime won't even buy a cup of coffee.

Well...it might be a lost cause....but a meer $250 membership might make a difference. If not, perhaps, it buys a few more years.

Good Discussion: Going back wards from the latest post; Robb is right on.

Dave: After over 25 years in this business, I have never been more upbeat. Every national seminar and every state seminar in the last several years, has been so much more professional and enlightening, that I really find it hard to believe.

Robb Russell has always been in the middle. ( And to be honest, there were people on both sides that didn't like his stand ) So when he says, "Guess who never (even) responded to the invitation?" Who do you think he's talking about?

Dave: The sky is not falling. Everyone thinks they need NWCOA. Maybe, but I know you need to belong, or even start, your own state association. A strong state group can do way more than any national association. ( You don't have to believe me, just ask the people that have won theses 'trapping' debates )

As far as this USDA thing goes, I truly believe that we as a company have not lost a dollar to their unfair tactics. ( I may be wrong, so if someone could enlighten me about their incursions into southeast Wisconsin, that would be great )

P.S. Not sure how many of you are aware of this but, if there is anything that you don't want to have read by anyone in this world, including any government agency, STAY OFF YOUR FREAKING COMPUTER!

I understand that the sky is not falling. I agree that the USDA has not impacted my business. However, for the guys that are passionate about this topic....this is an example of a good reason for the various 'sides' to get along. It's about time this feud ended.

I guess I'm confused on the whole wording of the
Pestt act! Are they saying that in rural areas the
USDA ws is going to go out and get rid of squirrels
Living in someone's attic? Or a groundhog out from
Under a deck?

I service only towns under 50,000 ppl so this topic is interesting
To me!

They now will have the authority to operate and expand anywhere the population is under 50,000. They now have the authority to do Beaver, Muskrat, and other large rodents in every zip code regardless of the local population.

Can USDA do exclusion? Can they fix the yard gate latch, or the broken step on the deck? I don't know about you fellas, but I see way more construction deficiency problems versus animal overpopulation problems. What is to stop them from delving into plumbing and electric work while they are at it? I can trap the fox, fix the hole in the hen house, and if needed, replace the chickens the fox ate. USDA can't compete with that. This industry needs to distance itself from legislation, and focus on the quality of service, which starts with an operator who is genuinely concerned with his customers needs. Government flunkies will never be able to compete with that. (I used to be a government flunky!) I like to think that there are customers who want a step above food stamps or section 8 housing,and the ones that don't USDA is more than welcome to. They deserve each other.