Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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05/20/13 09:09 PM
05/20/13 09:09 PM
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DaveK
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DaveK
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If you are good, you do not need bait.
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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#3808311
05/20/13 09:11 PM
05/20/13 09:11 PM
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Holt Michigan
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If you are good, you do not need bait. Don't think I'm that good Would that method work with a single door trap, or do you need a double door?
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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#3808330
05/20/13 09:24 PM
05/20/13 09:24 PM
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New York
ponyboy
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Okay, just slice 'em up and put half or so in back? Cut one in half and throw it in the back of the cage. Use some of your bait also. That's what I would do with what you have to work with. I set comstocks when possible as first choice. When baiting I use apples and woodchuck crap that I save as lure. But, I also use Jamesons woodchuck paste and woodchuck gland lure. When baiting for woodchucks you will catch a lot of non target animals. An unbaited, positive set directly over the woodchuck den will eliminate most non-targets.
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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#3808345
05/20/13 09:32 PM
05/20/13 09:32 PM
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DaveK
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DaveK
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If you are a great trapper, use a single door. Otherwise, you better stick to double door.
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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05/21/13 09:40 PM
05/21/13 09:40 PM
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Jim Comstock
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Ya, you can use a single door trap with bait and wait, or a single door trap at a den if you want to have half a chance, not knowing if the rodent is in or out, so why not go to a baitless double door at the den and catch the critter going out or coming back in less than a day, sometimes minutes? Chucks migrate from hole to hole, so good holes don't always catch because they might be 50 yards away in the next hole, but will return to your set at some point no doubt. At least with a positive set you know you have the right bait, and you know if he's there, because he's in the trap.
One guy just called the other day, had been using bait and single door traps for a chuck, no "luck." Guess he changed baits, moved the traps, added traps, nothing. He finally got a double door cage, set the den, what a surprise, a few hours later he had the chuck. Only later did he divulge that he had been using 4 baited single days traps for 16 days!
The concept can be used for skunks, squirrels, fox, badger, possum, coon, armadillo, anything that has a den, comes through a fence, has a path or follows structure. No re-baiting, client calls when you make the catch so it saves you time to go set more places and saves the client money, they like that.
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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05/22/13 06:34 PM
05/22/13 06:34 PM
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Jim Comstock
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In anything, there is good, better and best. I guess I would be a type, A, never satisfied, always striving to improve, no matter what I have been doing, no matter how good it was. No question that baits run a good percentage. I used baits for years too and caught a pile of chucks like everyone else and then I missed some here and there, like the fellow who told me the 16 day story, which is not all that rare. When you hear the utter excitement in their voice when a positive set has ended a long stalemate with bait, very rewarding. I simply wanted better, more on my side for chucks, a set that would attract virtually no non targets, a set that did not depend on me attracting the chuck to what I had for bait, a set that would be maintenance free, a set that would have no additional expense, and that would be the blind or positive set that would keep on working for days on end, justing waiting for a critter to move. After experiencing 100 plus 'cat seasons in the chaparral in the 80's without a drop of bait or lure, no flags, nothing but a well made set in the right place, I thought why not everything else? We simply applied the same logic to chucks, much easier, more profitable. I quit with the bait years ago on chucks, never looked back and have found it to be far superior to anything I have tried to date. Very nice to know definitively that if the animal is not in your trap, it is because he is simply not there, rather than an unknown variable that exists in the fact that he may not be interested in what you have. Baiting a chuck in a garden, that's a real tough one. So easy to catch him coming or going in or out at a choke point. Judy just said, "what if you can't find a positive or blind set." If you can't, he's not there. LOL. Look at it this way, if you were positive setting and it didn't work, you would be less apt to revert to a bait set, but instead when the bait does not produce you can go to the positive sets, which usually wrap up the project quickly. I simply circumvent the inevitable, chucks that don't want to come in to bait from the git go, and bring out the big guns first to end pretty much all the jobs in a hurry. The only chuck that's trouble is the one that leaves. Really can't think of any off hand that stayed and were not caught.
Beaver, that's a different gig. "Brown Gold" is hard to beat.
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Re: First Woodchuck Job!
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#3811522
05/22/13 06:41 PM
05/22/13 06:41 PM
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DaveK
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Jim - I am going to print off that info...great talking points for my techs.
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