you will shoot your eye out,,,,,,,,,,,........

Stoeger X10 Air Rifle is on sale al Cabelas for 79 bucks...........x20 is 129

I kind of want a 22 now, but maybe will go with the stoeger

The Stoeger comes in 22. cal also at 1000 fps.

No longer at cable's

Cabela’s still has the refurbished X20S on sale for $69.00, same warranty as new (2 years) X20S- click here

Ruger break barrel .177 and it comes with a scope. I believe it's a copy of a gamo? I know for a fact it'll kill a squirrel. effortlessly. I paid $129

Sportsmans warehouse has the stoeger 20s on sale for 119 or 129 with a scope. I'd get it in 22 I think it's 9 to 950 ft per second and very quiet with the suppressor built in. What Eric said is all true. When you break the sound barrier at the muzzle and coming down it is a big destabilizer of your pellet.
Pyramyd air has an on line airgun academy that you can see many guns tested for accuracy, trigger, and noise level. The suppressed Stoeger for the money is probably your best buy for squirrels. If your going to shoot sparrows and starlings in stores I'd probably do the 177 in some kind of compact light weight that will fit in a grocery cart.
Google air gun forums and you will find several that have member classifieds along with a lot of knowledge shared. Be careful though you can become an airgun addict and end up in airgun rehab. I've almost stopped buying them but I haven't been able to part with any.

Wouldn't you shoot the sparrow when the store is closed? So why would it need to fit in a cart

Not all stores close, nor do they all have hours that are easy to work with. At times shooting, just like using a mist net, must be done while customers are present.

I bought a .25 Benjamin Marauder on Amazon and it cost me an arm, but only half a leg. ( Hey, I got free shipping! Whadaya want? )

That is the easiest shooting gun I've ever owned. ( Yes, even easier than a Red Ryder ) Consequently I get groupings that are

usually reserved for people half my age. One thing that really surprised me is that the penetration of the Marauder is greater than

that of a .22 long rifle bullet. If I hadn't tested it myself, I wouldn't have believed it.

I just had a great idea for those stores that are open 24 hours. We could charge the customers for taking shots at the sparrows or

whatever. Once word got around, the stores would be flooded with would-be sharpshooters. More customers for the store, more money

in our pockets, and I very satisfied bunch of shoppers. Everybody wins.

How fast fps is the marauder going, did you use comparable wt in grain bullets and fps. If its moving at 2500 then you need a .22 mag or 17HMR to compare it too.

Good idea paul! And kurt, I dont think paul was necessarily looking for a side by side equivalent, it is just impressive for a pellet gun to out penetrate a firearm of anykind.

Yes, but the reason cities allow pellet gun is they can't reach that power normally, until now. I also see a problem in stores and warehouses of going through the roofs. Maybe it can be ratcheted back in pressure, but why spend the money to do that. The towns that do allow pellet guns in my area, specifically states that if the pellet leaves the property, it can cost you 250.00 each time.If it hits or causes a problem. At those fps it could go through a bird and or squirrel. Don't need it in the country.
Just my 2 cents
Kurt

If a pellet going through the roof was something to worry about, I also have a Gamo .22 or a Crosman .177 ( Although I don't know

where the Crosman is, right at this moment ) I have to admit, the the idea of going into the local Menards store and dropping

sparrows right out of the air, is very appealing. And I happen to have a smoothbore .22 that patterns .22 shotshells very well. The

last time I was in the store, 5 sparrows were pecking on a brick of suet. Their reading skills need work. The packaging said

specifically, "Woodpecker Suet."

I couldn't see my local Safeway allowing shooting in the store.

I decided t use some colibri 22 until more money is available

your school systems must closely compare to ours............

The Marauder series has a "factory" listing of 1100 fps for .177, 1000 for .22, and 900 for .25. My guess is that most people shooting lead pellets will be at least 50 to 100 fps slower than advertised. (The only way to know how fast you are actually shooting is to use a chronograph and shoot multiple strings over it then get an average.) Velocity will also be dependent on how much air is available in the reservoir, hammer spring strength, value opening, pellet used, how pellet is seated in barrel, dieseling, type of power plant, and the design of the regulator if so equipped. Due to the size of the .177, it actually has a greater chance of making a hole than a larger caliber.

For the .25, if we say the target is 20 yards away and shooting is being done with Predator Polymags at 26 grains and the gun is shooting 850 fps, it will be shooting 41.7 fpe at the muzzle. When the pellet gets to our target, it will only be traveling at 780 fps so our fpe will have dropped to 35. Based on what the target is and where we hit it, we can have pass through, but generally speaking the larger the pellet the more drag and energy transfer you'll have so the changes of a pass through can actually diminish.

If we replace the .25 with a .177 shooting 1000 fps with the Polymag (8.2 grain) we're now talking about a much smaller pellet that will be listed as 18.2 fpe at the barrel and 12.4 fpe at the target. This is more than enough energy to kill a bird with, but even through the pellet has a lower fpe listing, the size of the pellet means it has a greater chance of passing through due to the limited amount of drag and less energy transfer.

Air guns are not capable of producing hydrostatic shock like most firearms do. You have to think of air guns as shooting more like black powder so that even though the pellet is traveling out the barrel at 850 fps it is going to loose velocity quicker than a 40 grain .22 shooting at 1200 fps. This also means that when you have pellet impact, you won't get the energy transfer into the target nor mushrooming of the pellet. Instead, you may get deeper penetration as the energy may not be absorbed into the target as quickly allowing for more travel. We may shoot "hollow point" pellets our of air rifles, but rarely will they even deform unless they are hitting a very hard object which brings me to my actual point.

When shooting in a store, you need to expect to have pass through (cause we never miss, lol) which may damage roofs or pipes behind the target. When damage to the roof or other materials is possible, DON'T TAKE THE SHOT! Wait until you have a solid background so any miss or pass through will then hit in a safe location. Even if you are willing to invest the time and money into learning what air rifle, pellet, velocity, and distance combination is best for the target species, you need to practice safe shooting principals at all times.

Cabela’s still has the refurbished X20S on sale for $69.00, same warranty as new (2 years) X20S- click here

I just received that Stoeger model 22 cal.X20S yesterday. My question if anyone has one is it seems when the gun is in the fired closure position and the barrel is closed my gun has an uneven high point ridge closure at the point of the break barrel that meets the stock barrel jointure. It doesn't close flush on top.

Is this a normal design feature of the gun or a defect in the construction. It is a refurb gun as stated on the box and also stated in the ad for it. Never saw one before now but it seems

It just seems to me that the barrels should meet flush at that point. The top of the silver barrel liner is visible when the gun is closed and ready to shoot. I haven't fired any pellets yet to determine function ability or accuracy.

If it isn't constructed correctly I just need to return it.

I bought the refurb 22 cal X20S as well and my tracking info from UPS shows I should have it this evening. I'll come back and post what mine looks like.