Re: Organic rodent repellant for Bats??
[Re: Big Bear Wildlif]
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08/15/15 02:23 AM
08/15/15 02:23 AM
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The bat house really isn't the issue in this story. Bat boxes are to themselves a good thing for bats when they choose to use them and they are properly maintained.
The unoccupied houses should be moved after whatever time you decide but many say 2 years in the same spot without any success move the box...
We all know many folks believe that bats will leave a perfectly good roost in an attic or other part of the home structure to take resident in something that is akin to moving from a hotel to an efficiency apartment.
Why move if you are happy, safe and have been coming home to that site for years or even decades?
Doesn't mean the guy was on the wrong track trying to place a bat house, and his reasoning I'm all for, he is just supporting some conservation.
Where he went out of line was using a "rodent" repellant for a non rodent mammal, as well as if he was paid to deploy said product. They don't state he was paid to do so, would that still hang him up on the legal end with pesticide use/label etc...?
With so many folks selling their electronic, odor based and other online for all manner of wildlife including bats, it doesn't surprise me what he attempted to do...
Without doing exclusion the likelihood he and his partner sealed the bats inside the walls and entombed them is very high. I have stucco companies do it all the time out here, to them it is just a hole they need to patch and very few recognize they may have bats or other wildlife (birds) in them that may cause the homeowner issues let alone the wildlife species in question.
If you watch the news as many of you do and do some searches on bat issues, you'll find that there are many folks taking part in resolving bat issues that have no clue as we all know.
Let alone how many in our industry as we know that would call themselves educated and experience on the subject if it meant taking home the $$$.
I was just told yesterday about a lady who had called a city counterpart looking for bat info, when he returned the call she had just been told by a certain wildlife/pest control company that she should just take a hose and spray the bats out of her shutters.......
So it doesn't surprise me what Joe citizen does or thinks is smart to do, go google a bit on repellants for bats and other aspects of bats in houses and see how bad some of the suggestions are that are out there and products being offered....
This post had me look for a minute to see what he likely bought, it was apparent quickly with a short search that there are dozens of products he could have bought as joe citizen...
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Re: Organic rodent repellant for Bats??
[Re: Big Bear Wildlif]
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08/15/15 01:07 PM
08/15/15 01:07 PM
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Hanging a bat house on your home isn't for everyone and certainly not everyone asks for that either, however there are serious bat house folks with dozens on their house without any ill effects, so to blanket statement to suggest it is always going to cause problems isn't true, a certain amount likely will, and plenty won't.
Bat bugs are no different than other ectoparasites we see on a variety of wildlife. I remember seeing snowshoe hare in MI covered in ticks, just nasty to look at. Have seen more than my fair share of coyotes covered in ticks, fleas, etc... Feral hogs with a ridiculous amount of lice, ticks, etc....
We have them too in our population, lice, bed bugs, etc... all human based let alone the micro organisms all over your skin right now...
How many clients have any of you had that had not only the siting or report of bed bugs but were also confirmed to have been bitten by bed bugs...? I'm not being snarky, I'm actually asking, how many because I have tons of clients with bat colonies that are well established and the insulation in the attics always has sign of bat bugs and live bat bugs, yet none of them upon asking them ever report bites, rashes, etc...
They just find dead bodies.
The other question, if you are treating for bat bugs and you have a 2 or 3 story structure and the bat bugs are in, under, around insulation, in wall voids, beneath cracks and crevices, how are you ever going to treat them to kill them off, or do you simply create a barrier in the living space with products designed for this species and for bed bugs?
I've only seen people treat the living space, so the bat bugs are still up in the attic doing their thing until they die of in absence of bats after the life span has expired...
Other issue is people not confirming when people have bed bugs but think they have bat bugs or might have both. Which one is doing the biting?
The other aspect related to the post above would be the idea that bat bugs aren't biologically based in terms of life cycle on bats and their life cycle. If bats are hibernating or even migrating short or long distances, the bat bugs have to be able to shut down, hide and wait for them to return in the spring. This relates to the probability of bat bugs becoming a real problem for people versus a perceived threat.
"Our migrate south? Maybe to the south side of the street..." - ditto, plenty of local hibernators in that state and plenty of hibernacula too, well documented...
Can folks who have had verified bat bug bites on their clients speak to this a bit, I ask every client I ever have if they've had issues that would suggest this, none have, they just get the creeps about these things crawling around and dying in their living quarters and thats the extent of it.
I know they can take a blood meal, they are built for it, but how often are they doing so with human host?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Organic rodent repellant for Bats??
[Re: Big Bear Wildlif]
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08/16/15 12:42 PM
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Vinke
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we don't do houses,,,,,we do Condos (Center was full,,, library and spa facilitates were added to the sides)
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Re: Organic rodent repellant for Bats??
[Re: Big Bear Wildlif]
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08/21/15 11:21 PM
08/21/15 11:21 PM
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Dave Schmidt
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What Justin said re: bat boxes. They have their place. We offer them to customers, tell 'em bats are quite beneficial - just not in your house.
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Re: Organic rodent repellant for Bats??
[Re: Big Bear Wildlif]
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08/23/15 12:24 PM
08/23/15 12:24 PM
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Ron Scheller
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Organic repellent would work for bats...... if you put enough in the home to seal all the entry holes!
Ron Scheller
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