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Re: aerial predators
[Re: ritrapper]
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01/25/16 11:20 AM
01/25/16 11:20 AM
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The first thing I would do is contact your CO and let him/her know you have a problem. But you have to remember you are creating the problem. It is like having a bird feeder than not liking the Coopers Hawk or other bird of pray come and eating the birds. But it is combinable that you are not just shooting them like some other would. Maybe there is a falconer in your area that could offer some suggestion or give you a hand. JMO.
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Re: aerial predators
[Re: ritrapper]
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01/25/16 12:11 PM
01/25/16 12:11 PM
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Steve,
I think as you know already the variety of birds of prey and their hunting behavior makes it tricky to find one solution in terms of habitat modification.
Removing the trees might reduce perches or create more visibility for the rabbits to have a chance to see the raptor before is strikes, however creating a more open space could open up more species of larger less agile hawks that need more field or open space to hunt.
I'd favor heavily the brush piles and all that slash from the tree felling should make a bundle of those.
If the rabbits are "wild" species but hutch raised without brush piles and cover their naivety is one of the biggest factors that likely can't largely be overcome. Same with pen reared game birds, they get put out for hunting without much regard to if they can survive till the hunters find them.
Not sure if something like the eagle eye would do any good against predatory birds the way it works for pigeons and others but maybe worth looking into with bird barrier.
Otherwise building quality brush piles with a solid foundation that has various entry and exit points is as good as it gets.
On my grandparents property in upstate ny we used black locust felling to create piles. Nice logs underneath to create linear paths to evade fox and coyote and weasels with tons of brush piled on top.
I'd also think about if they are hutch raised rabbits who haven't been in a wilder scene doing an enclosure that is a pre release structure with some brush piles and so forth. Essentially creating a "soft" release where they are a bit wilder when out out and have search images for the brush piles.
Could even start them under piles where they get food and water close to the pile but can run and hide if they see an aerial shadow coming.
There's an old pub that shows young game birds would crouch and freeze when a shadow came over despite being generations of put and take heritage without wild experience.
Anyway, I understand removing snags but I'd think about just making more protection cover on the ground with the distance raptors see open fields to me wouldn't favor the prey on this case stocked rabbits.
Forgot to add owls would certainly be on my mind too where rabbits are really at a disadvantage at night.
Just .02
Justin
Last edited by HD_Wildlife; 01/25/16 12:16 PM.
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Re: aerial predators
[Re: ritrapper]
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01/25/16 06:17 PM
01/25/16 06:17 PM
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Hinge cutting Cedar trees will let the tree live and continue to grow, especially on top of a Multi-Flora Rose, or black berry/raspberry patch. Makes excellent cover, especially if dropped on a log lattice or pallet setting on small logs or rocks to make entry quicker. Also works to keep Fox/Yotes off them.
If you can get a depradation permit for LIVE removal, An Offset trap in the 1-1/2,#2 size with a piece of plumbing pipe insulation foam over the jaws, sitting on top of a high pole that's hinged to lower for removal will do you. They need to be released a log ways away from their home, (25-30 miles) or they will just come back.
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Re: aerial predators
[Re: ritrapper]
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01/25/16 07:57 PM
01/25/16 07:57 PM
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BigBob: Multi-Flora Rose and black berry/raspberry bushes are not fit for man or beast!! It take a well seasoned beagle to go in Multi-Flora Rose. But it sure holds rabbits in the winter. One thing that is being forgot is, there has to be a food supply for the rabbits. Also it is good to have some water near. Give the cover a chance to fill in along with brush pile and in time the rabbit will get smart and lean what hawk and Owls are all about. There are many other factors a play here. JMO
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