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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #5907291
05/19/17 10:24 PM
05/19/17 10:24 PM
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Nice stuff Sharon !!! reality is always far more interesting than old wives' tales !


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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #5907301
05/19/17 10:36 PM
05/19/17 10:36 PM
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Indeed, Sir Ken, it is all the time......and the satisfaction of pushing back against the "norm" ....

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #5907308
05/19/17 10:42 PM
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Thanks for that Sharon. I've not seen that piece before.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #5907334
05/19/17 10:59 PM
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Les,

That carries a lot of sense to me as I experience my life in progression.

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7215537
03/14/21 03:40 PM
03/14/21 03:40 PM
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Amazing littket thread so I figured I would bring it back for a little bit

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7215831
03/14/21 08:05 PM
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You went way, way back in the list to find this one, Wolfie!


Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7215860
03/14/21 08:27 PM
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I'm glad he brought it back, I certainly learned a lot by reading this thread. It was really interesting to read everyone's thoughts and some tips that people have left.

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7215999
03/14/21 10:09 PM
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Mr. Whitman I was wondering if you know why when we through our deer carcasses out they don't get eaten by the coyotes, but the coyotes just walk past them the same with gut piles and beaver caresses. But we had a gut pile sit 20 yds from a deer we couldn't find and overnight there was both hind quarters eaten off. Could it be there's a abundance of fresh food or something else?


“We will visit the Holy Land and see those places hallowed by the footsteps of the Savior,”
-Lincoln
Re: Jack Whitman [Re: Gulo] #7216037
03/14/21 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulo
You went way, way back in the list to find this one, Wolfie!

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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7216331
03/15/21 08:58 AM
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NorthenTrapper -

Your question puzzles me. I don't know the answer. I use various things for bait at my trail cameras, including roadkilled deer carcasses, beaver carcasses, even skunk carcasses and skinned coyote carcasses. All seem to do well at bringing in coyotes and other scavengers. The only apparent avoidance I've noticed by coyotes is if a cow carcass is offered that has recently been dosed with antibiotics, they seem to avoid feeding on it. Also, wolves and coyotes are spooky in my country, and often won't come into a bait pile for 10-14 days after a camera is put in position. Lions, foxes, eagles, etc., don't seem to mind a camera, but coyotes, and especially wolves, know that camera is there and are unwilling to come in to scavenge.

Jack


Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7216458
03/15/21 11:24 AM
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Good morning Jack. Do you think birds are a big factor to bringing wolves in to a bait station ?


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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7216466
03/15/21 11:36 AM
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cbat -

Yes. Wolves and birds (notably ravens) clearly watch each other, and both benefit from that relationship. To a lesser extent, I have no doubt that magpies and golden eagles at a kill site are an attractant to wolves. In summer in Idaho, putting baits in open places to be found by eagles, ravens, magpies, and even turkey vultures, is advantageous for bringing in wolves. I think it is a huge factor, and I would even go so far as to say that ravens and golden eagles on a kill might encourage wolves to visit even from many miles away.

Jack


Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7216506
03/15/21 12:16 PM
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That is what I was thinking also. I went and checked a new bait sight yesterday and I could hear the birds from close to a mile away. And according to my wife I am pretty deaf.


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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7216512
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We have a farm across the road and often times they have a cow dead, or they butcher a pig and throw the scraps out, on top of that you cannot go three feet into the woods without spooking a rabbit. That's what led me to believe they won't eat it because of the over-abundance of alive wild food. Must be a regional thing.

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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: Gulo] #7216847
03/15/21 07:09 PM
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Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
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Originally Posted by Gulo
Rivers!
I've never trapped in a jurisdiction that disallowed the larger traps, so have never really had to contend with that situation. In my opinion, there are a variety of suitable wolf traps on the market, but for conditions under which I trap wolves down here in the lowest-48, I prefer the MB-750AK (and I get no kickbacks from MTP). Certainly, the conditions change as you move north, and in many situations, something other than the 750 is certainly warranted.

But back to your question. Because of the way the 750 is built, along with the way they've treated me in years past (excellent service; above-and-beyond), I'd certainly look real close at the MB650. Too, I'd prefer the off-set, laminated jaws. In addition, where conditions permit, I'd strongly prefer to set up for wolves with a drag rather than hard-wiring. I've noted many times that most wolves, when earth-anchored to a particular spot, really fight the trap. If they're set up with a drag and can get themselves into a concealed location, they seem to fight the trap a lot less, with less chance of a pull-out and less damage to the foot or the pelt.

That help with your question?

Excellant! you talk I"ll listen!

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7217314
03/16/21 06:19 AM
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Do you bury your drags in summer? On my yote set ups i just cover chain for a couple feet and rest of chain and drag is thrown in weeds.


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Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7217377
03/16/21 08:19 AM
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RdFx -

For wolves and coyotes (not so critical with foxes), if the ground is thawed, I much prefer to have everything underground. For wolves, equally as important, is having impeccably clean gear to start with. I generally take my cooking/cleaning gear with me to field camps, and traps/rigging that have caught something are replaced and brought back to camp, cooked/cleaned in the evenings, and hung out to dry completely before being re-deployed. In my opinion, you can't be too clean when it comes to catching wolves. Sure, a dirty trap or the drag and part of the chain exposed above-ground will catch a wolf. But will it catch EVERY wolf? Wolves are just like people - there are some brain surgeons out there, and there are some real gomers. I want to catch the gomers AND the brain surgeons.

Jack


Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7217393
03/16/21 08:34 AM
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This has been a good read , again lol . Thank you sir !

Re: Jack Whitman [Re: 17hornet] #7217424
03/16/21 09:11 AM
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Come on Jack,give us more!

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