Strictly Trapping


No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers *** No Politics
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Trading Post
(Please support F&T Trading Post, our sponsor for the Trapping Only Forum)



TrappersPost
Please support Trappers post, a sponsor of the Strictly Trapping Forum



Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6105898
12/30/17 02:11 PM
12/30/17 02:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
B
Boco Offline
trapper
Boco  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
I don't know about trappers who quit when it gets cold.That is when the fur gets marketable,no wonder so many complain about the prices,lol.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Boco] #6105972
12/30/17 03:02 PM
12/30/17 03:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,759
east TN, USA
harleydparts Offline OP
trapper
harleydparts  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,759
east TN, USA
Originally Posted By: Boco
I don't know about trappers who quit when it gets cold.That is when the fur gets marketable,no wonder so many complain about the prices,lol.

Well Boco, these are Alabama critters, if it goes to icing up their gonna clean the store shelves of bread and milk and hibernate till spring. grin


Not as bad as I could be, not as good as I should be.
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106014
12/30/17 03:48 PM
12/30/17 03:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat Offline
trapper
bctomcat  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
Originally Posted By: harleydparts
I recently caught 2 otters and can't figure how they got caught as they did. Both were hip caught, one right in front of the back legs, one 3 inches further forward. Neither were suit cased. It seems to me that if the entry side jaws hit them in front of the hips the exit side jaws should have been right behind the head. If the exit side jaws hip caught them the entry side jaws should have caught the tail. Any guesses how this worked?
IMO a 330 size trap is a poor choice for otter unless it is fully submerged.
For a fast moving otter a 330 quite often closes on them to far back. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus it is the ultimate otter trap IMO. The 220 also has its place also in those narrow pinch points.


The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.






Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106046
12/30/17 04:16 PM
12/30/17 04:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
USMC47 🦫 Offline
trapper
USMC47 🦫  Offline
trapper

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
I've got a few thousand otters and a good bit of them happen like that. I believe they either don't hit the triggers until through a bit or they weasel their upper body out after caught. Then again, I've never watched it.


The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.

www.derricks-nm.com
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: USMC47 🦫] #6106059
12/30/17 04:27 PM
12/30/17 04:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat Offline
trapper
bctomcat  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
Originally Posted By: USMC47
I've got a few thousand otters and a good bit of them happen like that. I believe they either don't hit the triggers until through a bit or they weasel their upper body out after caught. Then again, I've never watched it.
Were those otter in 280's??? I don't think so!

Last edited by bctomcat; 12/30/17 09:30 PM.

The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.






Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106074
12/30/17 04:45 PM
12/30/17 04:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,853
Frazee, MN
B
backroadsarcher Offline
trapper
backroadsarcher  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,853
Frazee, MN
If I find a tight necked down area I think I would rather use a 220 than a 330. But most of my water ways are to wide. Would need a lot of fencing down to get them into a 220. A lot of the newer replacement triggers I have put on my 330's are much longer, so I keep them that way. Spread them into a wider V shape and put the trigger on the bottom in otter runs I set. Works for me.

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106217
12/30/17 06:09 PM
12/30/17 06:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,302
Georgia
D
Doug66 Offline
trapper
Doug66  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,302
Georgia
I had too many otter go around 280's when I used them. If you want a smaller opening just block down a 330 with sticks. Since I swapped to circle triggers on my 330's it stopped hip catches. I shape it more oval than a circle and every otter since has had his head in the circle.

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106254
12/30/17 06:33 PM
12/30/17 06:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
B
Boco Offline
trapper
Boco  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
The circle trigger is likely a good choice if you target otter with 330's


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Boco] #6106294
12/30/17 07:07 PM
12/30/17 07:07 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,759
east TN, USA
harleydparts Offline OP
trapper
harleydparts  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,759
east TN, USA
Originally Posted By: Boco
The circle trigger is likely a good choice if you target otter with 330's

What if any effect does the circle trigger have on beaver? I was not targeting Otter but I'd like to do a better job on the ones that do wonder thru my beaver sets.


Not as bad as I could be, not as good as I should be.
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106350
12/30/17 07:44 PM
12/30/17 07:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
B
Boco Offline
trapper
Boco  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519
james bay frontierOnt.
I don't use them,I would not want them for certain beaver sets but others I think they wouldn't be a problem.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6106402
12/30/17 08:08 PM
12/30/17 08:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,858
Beaver Bayou MN
Mike Kelly Offline
trapper
Mike Kelly  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,858
Beaver Bayou MN
Originally Posted By: harleydparts
Originally Posted By: Boco
The circle trigger is likely a good choice if you target otter with 330's

What if any effect does the circle trigger have on beaver? I was not targeting Otter but I'd like to do a better job on the ones that do wonder thru my beaver sets.


Tried them once on a dozen Belisle 330s. Ended up with too many snapped and empty traps for the way I was trapping. Took them off and never looked back.

Lots of guys swear by them, so they must work for someone out there.


www.WildRiverTraps.com - Oversized Pans for you Mink, Muskrat and Bobcat Traps!
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: Doug66] #6107608
12/31/17 05:35 PM
12/31/17 05:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat Offline
trapper
bctomcat  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
Originally Posted By: Doug66
I had too many otter go around 280's when I used them.
That's difficult for me to believe when so many swear by the 220, which is a 6" opening, for otter. The 280 is an 8" hole which is no problem for any otter I have ever seen. The 280 is a much faster closing trap than the 330 thus a better trap for fast moving otter.

IMO it must have been something in the way you set the 280's up that made the otters avoid them.

Last edited by bctomcat; 12/31/17 05:36 PM.

The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.






Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: bctomcat] #6107733
12/31/17 06:46 PM
12/31/17 06:46 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,657
Mountain View, AR
S
ShaneT Offline
trapper
ShaneT  Offline
trapper
S

Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,657
Mountain View, AR
Originally Posted By: bctomcat
Originally Posted By: Doug66
I had too many otter go around 280's when I used them.
That's difficult for me to believe when so many swear by the 220, which is a 6" opening, for otter. The 280 is an 8" hole which is no problem for any otter I have ever seen. The 280 is a much faster closing trap than the 330 thus a better trap for fast moving otter.

IMO it must have been something in the way you set the 280's up that made the otters avoid them.


Yea I've never seen avoidance with 280's unless that spot had recently caught. I don't think any trap would have helped in those situations because the otter were avoiding the spot not the trap.


"Good Lord, thank you for your endless bounty. Lord please give me the strength to gather what I need"
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: WBG] #6107980
12/31/17 09:13 PM
12/31/17 09:13 PM
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 12,400
South Ga - Almost Florida
S
Swamp Wolf Offline
trapper
Swamp Wolf  Offline
trapper
S

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 12,400
South Ga - Almost Florida
Originally Posted By: WBG
Likely pulled their head out of the jaws.


This^^^^


Thank God For Your Blessings!
Never Half-Arse Anything!

Resource Protection Service

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: bctomcat] #6108005
12/31/17 09:28 PM
12/31/17 09:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
USMC47 🦫 Offline
trapper
USMC47 🦫  Offline
trapper

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
Originally Posted By: bctomcat
Originally Posted By: USMC47
I've got a few thousand otters and a good bit of them happen like that. I believe they either don't hit the triggers until through a bit or they weasel their upper body out after caught. Then again, I've never watched it.
Were those otter in 280's??? I don't think so!
Mostly 330s. Bunch of them were in younger years when I didn't know adjusting traps was a thing. But even in current times I see enough poorly caught otters and can't explain it with any certainty.


The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.

www.derricks-nm.com
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: USMC47 🦫] #6108124
12/31/17 10:48 PM
12/31/17 10:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat Offline
trapper
bctomcat  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
Originally Posted By: USMC47
But even in current times I see enough poorly caught otters and can't explain it with any certainty.
Again were they in 330's or 280's???

Last edited by bctomcat; 12/31/17 10:49 PM.

The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.






Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6108155
12/31/17 11:13 PM
12/31/17 11:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
USMC47 🦫 Offline
trapper
USMC47 🦫  Offline
trapper

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
330s. 280s it nearly never happens.


The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.

www.derricks-nm.com
Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: USMC47 🦫] #6108187
12/31/17 11:32 PM
12/31/17 11:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat Offline
trapper
bctomcat  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794
100 Mile House, BC Can
Originally Posted By: USMC47
330s. 280s it nearly never happens.
There you go proving 330's are a poor otter trap and the 280 is much superior. Thanks.

Last edited by bctomcat; 12/31/17 11:34 PM.

The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.






Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: harleydparts] #6108188
12/31/17 11:32 PM
12/31/17 11:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 274
androscogin county maine
ducky Offline
trapper
ducky  Offline
trapper

Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 274
androscogin county maine
ive caught my fair share of otter in everything from 155s to 330s, and id take a 220 or 280 over any of them, there is no modification to can do to a 330 to make it a ethiac trap for an otter, this year i had a big buck otter ( 22 lb) get caught in a 330 by the hinds and pull up a 18 inch rebar and go 25 yards down the stream before tangling in some alders hanging over the bank on the other side. i caught a beaver the day before and it was head caught in the circle trigger, DOA but that otter was able to "weasel" his way threw that circle, a otter can swim up to 60 mph then at the speed of the current and you get how fast a otter is traveling. a 330 is bigger and slower then its smaller counter parts thus naturally catching an otter farther back,




2018/19 season

rats 0
Beav 0
Otter 0
Mink 0
coon 0
fisher 0
weasel 0
fox 0
yote 0
cats 0

Re: Otters & 330's question [Re: bctomcat] #6108244
01/01/18 12:12 AM
01/01/18 12:12 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
USMC47 🦫 Offline
trapper
USMC47 🦫  Offline
trapper

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,312
Montana
Originally Posted By: bctomcat
Originally Posted By: USMC47
330s. 280s it nearly never happens.
There you go proving 330's are a poor otter trap and the 280 is much superior. Thanks.
I've never denied that.


The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle.

www.derricks-nm.com
Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

Moderated by  Drifter, Wolfdog91 

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1