Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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No way you can put up otter like mink.lots of difference in put up. Mink-Saddles on,tail and back legs pleated on back,front legs tucked in. Otter-Saddle removed,Tail and legs pinned natural,front leg holes sewn or pinned closed. mink otter otter mink
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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01/03/18 09:40 PM
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Nice pictures "Boco" but not much difference in mink and otter except size. Legs on the back next to the tail, saddle off only if fat under it and whether front legs are tucked in ,pinned or sewn closed is supurflous
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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I never seen a saddle left on an otter to dry.If you ask the graders that question I know what their answer will be. And legs go on the back of a mink but not on otter(no pleating on otter-leads to taint on the thicker skin),Legs on the belly side at the edge where they hang naturally.You cant tuck in the front legs on an otter-they will taint before they dry because of the much thicker skin. Same as tail-natural shape on otter,never pleated.Pushed short and pleated on mink. Lots of difference between the two. Read the Nafa and FHA fur handling manuals.
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Re: NAFA Otter
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Lots of difference between the two. Read the Nafa and FHA fur handling manuals. The only difference between the two IMO is size. Yes I have read both fur handling manuals many times. Maybe you should read them again yourself. The NAFA manual says nothing about where to put the hind legs and the FHA manual says to pin the back legs onto the tail side of the board. And by the way you don't pleat mink tails you just tack them out more or less normal. Again I suggest you update yourself on the manuals recommendations.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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So what, you can do the same slight pleating with otter without overlapping the hide and causing spoilage. Did you note where they said hind legs to the tail side?
In any event I doubt if many of these nit picking details matter much, if any, as long as the pelt is fleshed and dried properly and provided with a decent inspection window.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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01/04/18 12:22 AM
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And according to NAFA It's allowable to remove the saddles on mink.
Why would pleating keep a tail from tainting?
I'm with Bctomcat legs front back what's the difference. In fact It's probably better to have the legs positioned so half are on the front and half on the back.
The grader Is looking for leather defects and fur quality. As long as you leave a window of some kind you should be good to go.
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Re: NAFA Otter
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So what, you can do the same slight pleating with otter without overlapping the hide and causing spoilage. Did you note where they said hind legs to the tail side?
In any event I doubt if many of these nit picking details matter much, if any, as long as the pelt is fleshed and dried properly and provided with a decent inspection window. He won't answer this question. I agree with you and Beav, no need to be anal.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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01/06/18 03:34 PM
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You must have push pin thumb.
I put up 1000s of otter back when I was doing contract work. WE used a long piece of hard ware cloth and used about 6 staples out of the electric stapler. You can put In 100s of push pins or 10 but It's not going to effect the final grade.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Boco]
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01/06/18 04:28 PM
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I'll answer any questions you turkeys have if they make any sense.Graders all say pin otters as they hang on the board.There are no back legs on an otter if you skin it right.If you want to call the flank "back legs"feel free. This "turkey" would have trimmed that part of the leg/"flank" off to the board edge pins with the window cut, that you have pinned in this picture as it has no significant value.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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01/06/18 05:20 PM
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Cutting the window too far into the flank on otter is a no-no-re read the fur handling manual.Its a common mistake for amateur fur handlers. They think they are getting a better window when in fact they are damaging the pelt by making proper blocking after tanning impossible.
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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Beav,save yourself an extra minute or two and just cut the tail right off.Its not your pelt anyway and the owner wont know why he got a crappy price,and you get paid the same,lol.
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Re: NAFA Otter
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Cutting the window too far into the flank on otter is a no-no-re read the fur handling manual.Its a common mistake for amateur fur handlers. They think they are getting a better window when in fact they are damaging the pelt by making proper blocking after tanning impossible. You must be referencing to some old manuals. I suggest you get some new ones in order to explain to others how to do things. The current manuals from the auction houses state the following re handling the back legs on otter: From NAFA Manual page 33: “Tack the back legs onto the back side of the board next to the tail. This will help to make a nice inspection area that needs little trimming of the belly. From FHA Manual page 16: “Begin pinning the tail onto board. Push as much fur into the inspection area as possible. Now pin the back legs onto the tail side of the board. The next step is to trim the belly area with your skinning knife. By pinning your otter in this method, the inspection area will already be formed and by trimming the belly area you will have a perfect window.” Just a suggestion from an "amateur turkey".
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Re: NAFA Otter
[Re: Phil Nichols]
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01/06/18 07:42 PM
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Page 35 of the NAFA manual-tips from graders.Never take fur from the flank when trimming the inspection window. Looks like you didn't read far enough,lol.
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