Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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01/11/18 04:16 PM
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With chain you don't have the stiff cable sticking up out of your trap bed. I went to chain and will NEVER go back to cable.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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01/11/18 04:23 PM
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All I run is chain. Or you can use cable for 6 inches the chain for the top half.
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: rednecktrapper]
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01/11/18 08:18 PM
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Get the originals on chain if you are in Clay. I got one dozen finned super stakes a few years ago to try. Bad Idea. I think those would hold a herd of elephants. I wondered about that. I got sick of the cables sticking up in my trap beds. Ground was so hard I couldn't get most drove in very far. I couldn't get any out of the ground this time either, and had to leave them. Glad I didn't have the chain.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: rednecktrapper]
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01/11/18 08:44 PM
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Get the originals on chain if you are in Clay. I got one dozen finned super stakes a few years ago to try. Bad Idea. I think those would hold a herd of elephants. x2
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
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01/13/18 12:09 AM
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What is the advantage of the cable? Why not all chain? I did all chain this year and did not weld the S hooks that attached the chain to the anchor. Almost every one I tried to set the S hook bent or whatever it did and when I went to pull and set the anchor up came everything. I had to redo 7 dozen traps on day one of my season. Guess I should have tested them first. Anyway I just did a small length of cable like above. and did not have any other issues.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: Line Jumper]
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01/13/18 02:18 PM
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What is the advantage of the cable? Why not all chain? I use the chain/cable combo because I don't have a welder. I like super stakes, but use a lot of wolf fangs because I don't pull the stakes. Fangs cost < $0.50 & super stakes cost > $1.00
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: ebsurveyor]
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01/13/18 03:41 PM
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Taxi, I do the same, but no copper. Is copper better? Why? Thanks Copper is just for use with stainless cable,which is all I use now.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: Line Jumper]
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01/13/18 03:42 PM
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What is the advantage of the cable? Why not all chain? It saves a little money and weight,plus,I don't weld.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: rednecktrapper]
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Get the originals on chain if you are in Clay. I got one dozen finned super stakes a few years ago to try. Bad Idea. I think those would hold a herd of elephants. I used chained super stakes last year and for awhile this season. scared I was going to hurt myself getting them out of the ground. going back to Berkshires with chain and about 6 inches of cable.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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01/13/18 08:28 PM
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I like cable. A lot less weight when transporting them to the set locations. As far as length and the cable sticking up out of the ground...I make my own so I can custom make them the length that I need at different locations. In farm fields I use about 12" of cable. In mountain terrain I use about 8" of cable. It works for me. If you buy your own crimping tool and the cable and crimp connectors you save money if you have very many of them that you use on the line.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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01/13/18 11:58 PM
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I prefer chain. Bc I have had coyotes chew on the cable that could only be driven in 12 inches and there 18 inch cables I believe. So alot was sticking up but held fine. But the yote chewed cable stake almost into,and even popped a spring off one lever on mb450. Hard fighting yote. I have pic that trap holding the yote with one spring somewhere
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: Taximan]
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01/14/18 11:59 AM
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Copper is just for use with stainless cable,which is all I use now. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll change to stainless/copper because I use my cable/chain stakes year after year and they are never pulled.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: Taximan]
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01/14/18 08:54 PM
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I built the first SS ones for some permanent sets but the alkaline soil here,is pretty corrosive on galvanized cable and chain so I converted most of mine over.I also clean and prime the anchor head itself.That helps a lot.After the season I check over the ones I've pulled,file off any dings or burrs,clean and prime again.
The 12"/6" lengths have been perfect for me.I can always get the 12" cable in but sometimes need more so 18" can come in handy.This way,they are all made the same and there's no reaching for a length that I'm out of or forgot to pack.
Ebsurveyor,are you pre-drilling for your anchors? He is predrilling for his anchors. If I remember right, it is super rocky where he traps in Maine.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: rednecktrapper]
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01/14/18 09:00 PM
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I built the first SS ones for some permanent sets but the alkaline soil here,is pretty corrosive on galvanized cable and chain so I converted most of mine over.I also clean and prime the anchor head itself.That helps a lot.After the season I check over the ones I've pulled,file off any dings or burrs,clean and prime again.
The 12"/6" lengths have been perfect for me.I can always get the 12" cable in but sometimes need more so 18" can come in handy.This way,they are all made the same and there's no reaching for a length that I'm out of or forgot to pack.
Ebsurveyor,are you pre-drilling for your anchors? He is predrilling for his anchors. If I remember right, it is super rocky where he traps in Maine. Red Neck got it right. In the shale/rocky ground I trap it takes longer to set a stake than it does to make the rest of the set. When I have time I preset my chain stakes before the season. Drags are not legal in the Lynx Zone of Maine.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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01/15/18 11:51 AM
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For the bobcat and coyote trappers---- What cable diameters do ya'll prefer ? I have almost always used drags and when i did stake in the past i used re-bar stakes(home-made). Am getting back into trapping and am thinking that chain, cable or a combo may be the way to go. Lots of rocks here in Wyoming. I really like the looks of the washer/cable steaks. I have a wire welder and gas/oxy set-up so i can fab and prefer to when i can.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: HTF307]
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01/15/18 02:53 PM
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For the bobcat and coyote trappers---- What cable diameters do ya'll prefer ? I have almost always used drags and when i did stake in the past i used re-bar stakes(home-made). Am getting back into trapping and am thinking that chain, cable or a combo may be the way to go. Lots of rocks here in Wyoming. I really like the looks of the washer/cable steaks. I have a wire welder and gas/oxy set-up so i can fab and prefer to when i can. 3/32" will work but I always use 1/8" because it is only a penny more per foot but almost twice as strong.The worst beating an anchor takes is when pulling.Washer anchors(pogos)aren't the best in rocky conditions.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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Thanks for the info Taximan There are bigger canines in the Bighorn's than just 'Yotes. I have seen two and cut tracks all the time, 1/8' is hat i was thinking but wasn't sure. I prefer drags but not to sure how they would perform. I have been toying with different ideas in my head, i am a tite wad so i prefer to build my own things when i can. Besides, it's rewarding as heck.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
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Do earth anchors need boiled? I'm not an expert but I treat my cable stakes (earth anchors) just like I do my traps, I boil them and then dip them in Formula 1 speed dip, for the scent removal and for some corrosion protection. Even though they are "disposable" stakes I have some that have been used 3 years (that's how long I've been trapping, I've had success but am still a "rookie") and they still are in use. If they are new stakes I degrease them first by spraying with Windex, before boiling and dipping. Maybe others here have different views, but that is my 2 cents. Good luck.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: HTF307]
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01/15/18 10:10 PM
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Thanks for the info Taximan There are bigger canines in the Bighorn's than just 'Yotes. I have seen two and cut tracks all the time, 1/8' is hat i was thinking but wasn't sure. I prefer drags but not to sure how they would perform. I have been toying with different ideas in my head, i am a tite wad so i prefer to build my own things when i can. Besides, it's rewarding as heck. I would definitely go with 1/8" then.I have held a couple wolves with them,not much more than 12" deep.That of course,depends on ground conditions.I've also pounded two in,18" deep for one wolf trap,in thawed ground.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: Trapper new]
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Do earth anchors need boiled? No.Some dip them in wax,for corrosion protection.That didn't help much here,so I now use stainless now.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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How well does a stainless chain take dye ?
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: HTF307]
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How well does a stainless chain take dye ? It won't.If you want to dull it,put it in undiluted muriatic acid for about 24 hours or until dull,then neutralize.It will take on a nice,dull gray and won't hurt the chain.Forget dye,with stainless.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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No need to treat cable stakes, they are under the ground. Plus, boiling and such CAN break down and weaken the cable.
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
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For the bobcat and coyote trappers---- What cable diameters do ya'll prefer ? I have almost always used drags and when i did stake in the past i used re-bar stakes(home-made). Am getting back into trapping and am thinking that chain, cable or a combo may be the way to go. Lots of rocks here in Wyoming. I really like the looks of the washer/cable steaks. I have a wire welder and gas/oxy set-up so i can fab and prefer to when i can. I use 1/8"
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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Taximan- thanks for the tip.
Ditchdiver- i was referring to the top half of the stake that Taximan shared. It is very rocky here and i can see some chain being left above grade. Taximan is right about the alkali in this east slope country, it is pretty prominent.
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Re: Chain vs cable stakes
[Re: trapperty16]
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Any need to loc-tite the pins ? We use those for some of our logging set-ups, but much larger i bet.
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