Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141092
01/29/18 09:27 AM
01/29/18 09:27 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Misery
Michael Morris
"Hombre que mata demasiadas cosas"
|
"Hombre que mata demasiadas cosas"
Joined: Jan 2012
Misery
|
I got mine mounted at 9'. I have to readjust once, but it still beats pulling with your back!
Push yourself to be more than you were
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141203
01/29/18 11:36 AM
01/29/18 11:36 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
central Illinois
yoteguts
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jul 2008
central Illinois
|
Can you go horizontal? Love mine. Used beavs 2x12 idea. Plenty of length.
Last edited by yoteguts; 01/29/18 11:37 AM.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
Member FTA & USSA.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141248
01/29/18 12:25 PM
01/29/18 12:25 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Pa
Wright Brothers
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Pa
|
I used Beavs idea too. I put a sheet of vinyl on it as it lives outside on saw horses mostly. Hope to upgrade this year. Plan to set up so it can also drag heavy things into the building.
Someone on here was talking about a DC hoist that would run through a battery charger that plugs into AC. That, would open a lot more options for me.
Think it was fishguts showed a pic of a hori set up on a countertop.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: Wright Brothers]
#6141368
01/29/18 01:53 PM
01/29/18 01:53 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2016
N.E. Nebr
LDW
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Mar 2016
N.E. Nebr
|
I used Beavs idea too. I put a sheet of vinyl on it as it lives outside on saw horses mostly. Hope to upgrade this year. Plan to set up so it can also drag heavy things into the building.
Someone on here was talking about a DC hoist that would run through a battery charger that plugs into AC. That, would open a lot more options for me.
Think it was fishguts showed a pic of a hori set up on a countertop. Ya, I use a 12 volt atv winch and use a battery charger to power it. Don't have to mess with a battery that way. I picked up the winch on Harbor Freight for under 80 bucks, 2500 lb.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141591
01/29/18 06:50 PM
01/29/18 06:50 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2012
Eastern PA
Hawks
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2012
Eastern PA
|
Go 12’ Mine is at 10’-6” and its enough for coon but too short for our coyotes Should have made my roof a few feet taller
Do something worthwhile, take a kid trapping
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141658
01/29/18 08:06 PM
01/29/18 08:06 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
You only need about 7 foot of head room to skin a coyote If you build your skinner right. And I'm not talking about re adjusting the hide a few times.
You need to build your base and attach the winch to the base. Then adapt a length of shafting to the winch shaft. You will need to get rid of the cable drum to do this. The other end of the shaft needs to be held In pillow block. Now you drill a hole In the center of the shaft so you can attach a length of belting. Old seat belts work good for this application. On the other end of the seat belt you attach a cable slip noose. Use the male end of the belt to do this. Now when you open your coyote you just slip the loop around the tail and all the skirt fur and tighten up the noose.
Now when your skinning your winch shaft Is turning and wrapping the hide around the shaft and the carcass Is staying In place. 7' max Is all you need and you could probably get by with 6'. To remove the hide just reverse your winch and off It comes.
It works like a dream I'm sure ADC will have them on the market for next trapping season.
I hope this helps you guys out.
Just a after thought.
You will need to do some bending to finish off the head. So If you hang the coyote by the hocks you will gain some carcass height.
Last edited by The Beav; 01/29/18 08:10 PM.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6141844
01/30/18 01:20 AM
01/30/18 01:20 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
South metro, MN
Calvin
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2007
South metro, MN
|
The BOTTOM of my winch is at 8 ft 8 inches and it won't pull the heads on the coyotes. Another reason not to catch them. It's plenty for coon, however.
I have ADCs base. You could cut your base down if you're really gung ho on the coyotes, but I like the height, as is, for coon.
Last edited by Calvin; 01/30/18 04:23 AM.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6141934
01/30/18 08:05 AM
01/30/18 08:05 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Hebron Nebraska
RickA
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Mar 2013
Hebron Nebraska
|
You only need about 7 foot of head room to skin a coyote If you build your skinner right. And I'm not talking about re adjusting the hide a few times.
You need to build your base and attach the winch to the base. Then adapt a length of shafting to the winch shaft. You will need to get rid of the cable drum to do this. The other end of the shaft needs to be held In pillow block. Now you drill a hole In the center of the shaft so you can attach a length of belting. Old seat belts work good for this application. On the other end of the seat belt you attach a cable slip noose. Use the male end of the belt to do this. Now when you open your coyote you just slip the loop around the tail and all the skirt fur and tighten up the noose.
Now when your skinning your winch shaft Is turning and wrapping the hide around the shaft and the carcass Is staying In place. 7' max Is all you need and you could probably get by with 6'. To remove the hide just reverse your winch and off It comes.
It works like a dream I'm sure ADC will have them on the market for next trapping season.
I hope this helps you guys out.
Just a after thought.
You will need to do some bending to finish off the head. So If you hang the coyote by the hocks you will gain some carcass height. I like this idea a lot and may have to talk to Jayme a bit further about this. Thanks for the ideas Beav.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6141938
01/30/18 08:12 AM
01/30/18 08:12 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2014
S.W. Michigan
late bite
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2014
S.W. Michigan
|
You only need about 7 foot of head room to skin a coyote If you build your skinner right. And I'm not talking about re adjusting the hide a few times.
You need to build your base and attach the winch to the base. Then adapt a length of shafting to the winch shaft. You will need to get rid of the cable drum to do this. The other end of the shaft needs to be held In pillow block. Now you drill a hole In the center of the shaft so you can attach a length of belting. Old seat belts work good for this application. On the other end of the seat belt you attach a cable slip noose. Use the male end of the belt to do this. Now when you open your coyote you just slip the loop around the tail and all the skirt fur and tighten up the noose.
Now when your skinning your winch shaft Is turning and wrapping the hide around the shaft and the carcass Is staying In place. 7' max Is all you need and you could probably get by with 6'. To remove the hide just reverse your winch and off It comes.
It works like a dream I'm sure ADC will have them on the market for next trapping season.
I hope this helps you guys out.
Just a after thought.
You will need to do some bending to finish off the head. So If you hang the coyote by the hocks you will gain some carcass height. That Awesome! Any Pictures????
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6142137
01/30/18 12:03 PM
01/30/18 12:03 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2015
NNY
080808
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2015
NNY
|
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6142200
01/30/18 01:09 PM
01/30/18 01:09 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
southern ontario canada
coonwild
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
southern ontario canada
|
You only need about 7 foot of head room to skin a coyote If you build your skinner right. And I'm not talking about re adjusting the hide a few times.
You need to build your base and attach the winch to the base. Then adapt a length of shafting to the winch shaft. You will need to get rid of the cable drum to do this. The other end of the shaft needs to be held In pillow block. Now you drill a hole In the center of the shaft so you can attach a length of belting. Old seat belts work good for this application. On the other end of the seat belt you attach a cable slip noose. Use the male end of the belt to do this. Now when you open your coyote you just slip the loop around the tail and all the skirt fur and tighten up the noose.
Now when your skinning your winch shaft Is turning and wrapping the hide around the shaft and the carcass Is staying In place. 7' max Is all you need and you could probably get by with 6'. To remove the hide just reverse your winch and off It comes.
It works like a dream I'm sure ADC will have them on the market for next trapping season.
I hope this helps you guys out.
Just a after thought.
You will need to do some bending to finish off the head. So If you hang the coyote by the hocks you will gain some carcass height. Lol beav where you in a cattle kill plant , that is exactly how the hide pullers work there , except a bigger drum the a coon or coyote skinner would take
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6142330
01/30/18 03:58 PM
01/30/18 03:58 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2012
Eastern PA
Hawks
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2012
Eastern PA
|
Okay Beav you got us thinking on your process Need pictures! Not that smart and Hugh Heffner was my idol.
Do something worthwhile, take a kid trapping
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6142357
01/30/18 04:34 PM
01/30/18 04:34 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
Should be cheaper to build. No 12' mast no base with vise grips welded to It. If you can buy the winch without all the added garbage It would save even more money.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6142386
01/30/18 05:10 PM
01/30/18 05:10 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Southern Michigan
trappergbus
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2012
Southern Michigan
|
Mine is 12 foot from the floor to the top pulley with a hand winch designed for boat trailers mounted to a 4x4 anchored to the cement. With some coyotes I need another foot. Late Bite only catches pups LOL
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6142423
01/30/18 05:41 PM
01/30/18 05:41 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
southern ontario canada
coonwild
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
southern ontario canada
|
You only need about 7 foot of head room to skin a coyote If you build your skinner right. And I'm not talking about re adjusting the hide a few times.
You need to build your base and attach the winch to the base. Then adapt a length of shafting to the winch shaft. You will need to get rid of the cable drum to do this. The other end of the shaft needs to be held In pillow block. Now you drill a hole In the center of the shaft so you can attach a length of belting. Old seat belts work good for this application. On the other end of the seat belt you attach a cable slip noose. Use the male end of the belt to do this. Now when you open your coyote you just slip the loop around the tail and all the skirt fur and tighten up the noose.
Now when your skinning your winch shaft Is turning and wrapping the hide around the shaft and the carcass Is staying In place. 7' max Is all you need and you could probably get by with 6'. To remove the hide just reverse your winch and off It comes.
It works like a dream I'm sure ADC will have them on the market for next trapping season.
I hope this helps you guys out.
Just a after thought.
You will need to do some bending to finish off the head. So If you hang the coyote by the hocks you will gain some carcass height. Lol beav where you in a cattle kill plant , that is exactly how the hide pullers work there , except a bigger drum the a coon or coyote skinner would take
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6143317
01/31/18 12:20 PM
01/31/18 12:20 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
I haven't used Mine for several years and I've cut up the stand for other uses. But I do have the winch and the shaft and the base of the stand. I'll try and get some pics.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: trappergbus]
#6145110
02/02/18 05:10 AM
02/02/18 05:10 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Indiana
kyron4
OP
trapper
|
OP
trapper
Joined: Jun 2013
Indiana
|
Mine is 12 foot from the floor to the top pulley with a hand winch designed for boat trailers mounted to a 4x4 anchored to the cement. With some coyotes I need another foot. Late Bite only catches pups LOL Do you have any trouble pulling the skin with a hand crank winch ? -Thanks
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6145286
02/02/18 10:25 AM
02/02/18 10:25 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
I decided to use one of the tall 6x6 post and build an arm off of it to hold the winch. That will give me 15' to the floor. You'll like that. If you hang the hoist that high you won't be able to reach the hand control though, so you'll need to address that if you go electric. You can extend the cable on it, or add a foot pedal, or mount the hoist lower and run the cable up through a pulley. Mine is 12 foot from the floor to the top pulley with a hand winch designed for boat trailers mounted to a 4x4 anchored to the cement. With some coyotes I need another foot. Late Bite only catches pups LOL Do you have any trouble pulling the skin with a hand crank winch ? -Thanks I always tell people if you have a hand crank winch, use it but if you have to buy one you're better off putting that money towards an electric hoist in the beginning, rather than upgrading later on. The cheapest hand cranks are 1/4 to 1/3 of the cost of electric.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6145444
02/02/18 12:27 PM
02/02/18 12:27 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
I just can't get my head wrapped around the reasoning why some trappers hang the winch In the over head position. It's so much easier to mount It on the base. And hang a snatch block In the rafters.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6145529
02/02/18 02:43 PM
02/02/18 02:43 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2014
ND
JMF
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2014
ND
|
I just can't get my head wrapped around the reasoning why some trappers hang the winch In the over head position. It's so much easier to mount It on the base. And hang a snatch block In the rafters. How do you keep your winch clean? My skinning base is flat out nasty 1/4 way through the season, while my winch mounted in the rafters is nice and clean. At the end of the season I un-bolt my base from the floor and pressure wash it, I doubt I could do that with the electric winch.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6145593
02/02/18 04:08 PM
02/02/18 04:08 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
I just can't get my head wrapped around the reasoning why some trappers hang the winch In the over head position. It's so much easier to mount It on the base. And hang a snatch block In the rafters. How many times have you asked and I answered that Beav? lol I know I have answered it at least three times over my time here. Keeping it clean, having the hand control hang perfectly handy, space savings, the hoists are designed to be hung from square tube, etc...
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6145607
02/02/18 04:30 PM
02/02/18 04:30 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2014
montana
red mt
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Oct 2014
montana
|
That s ok beav I put mine on the wall use it on bench style. I did use square tubing to mount it to the studs although .
Kenneth schoening
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6145630
02/02/18 04:58 PM
02/02/18 04:58 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
ebsurveyor
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
|
I just can't get my head wrapped around the reasoning why some trappers hang the winch In the over head position. It's so much easier to mount It on the base. And hang a snatch block In the rafters. I didn't try to take photos to show why, but this will give you an idea. Start of season: A few days later: A few weeks later, not a good photo but you can see the blood & guts starting to build up down low. I guess it depends on if you do a few or do a few every day: 
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6145639
02/02/18 05:12 PM
02/02/18 05:12 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
Throw a card board box over the winch. My winch Is mounted to a piece of square tubing that slides over the main mast. It's set at about 4' off the ground.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6145649
02/02/18 05:24 PM
02/02/18 05:24 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
ebsurveyor
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
|
Throw a card board box over the winch. My winch Is mounted to a piece of square tubing that slides over the main mast. It's set at about 4' off the ground. Space is at a premium in my sheds. Note how open my setup is, nothing in the way base to winch. For outdoor work, who cares (note the garbage bag):
Last edited by ebsurveyor; 02/02/18 05:27 PM.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6145650
02/02/18 05:25 PM
02/02/18 05:25 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2014
ND
JMF
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2014
ND
|
Throw a card board box over the winch. My winch Is mounted to a piece of square tubing that slides over the main mast. It's set at about 4' off the ground. Maybe I'm too dense to understand, but please explain how that is easier than just permanently mounting it into the rafters? By having it mounted overhead I also have the added benefit of being able to use the winch to load/unload heavy stuff on or off my truck. You can't back underneath a winch that's mounted to the floor.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: JMF]
#6145654
02/02/18 05:29 PM
02/02/18 05:29 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
ebsurveyor
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2011
sometimes PA ME or FL
|
Throw a card board box over the winch. My winch Is mounted to a piece of square tubing that slides over the main mast. It's set at about 4' off the ground. Maybe I'm too dense to understand, but please explain how that is easier than just permanently mounting it into the rafters? By having it mounted overhead I also have the added benefit of being able to use the winch to load/unload heavy stuff on or off my truck. You can't back underneath a winch that's mounted to the floor. You got that right!
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6145677
02/02/18 06:16 PM
02/02/18 06:16 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
QuietButDeadly
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
|
When I had my mast built, I had the bottom shaped like an L with a 45 degree brace, pretty much the same as the top. I mounted my base with the clamps on the L at the bottom and hung my winch on the top. I did have to extend the wires on the hand control. I bolted the upright to the wall. To keep the floor from being a mess, I put down a large piece of cardboard to catch the drippings. At the end of the season, I take up the nasty and replace it before the next season. My son works at a body shop and they have plenty of big cardboard boxes.
Life Member: NCTA, VTA, NTA, TTFHA, MFTI Member: FTA
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: Boone Liane]
#6146195
02/03/18 08:06 AM
02/03/18 08:06 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Pennsylvania
Hern
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Pennsylvania
|
I drape a section of newspaper over base cross piece to keep clean. I replace as need.  I mounted hoist overhead. The highest peak in the roof joist. I did extend the control cord. 2" pipe from a local fire sprinkler installer. I remove base from floor to open up the area, in the off season. In the off season, I found that I use the hoist for other projects. I love it up there, out of the way.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6146278
02/03/18 10:14 AM
02/03/18 10:14 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
Well It seems to me when you mount the winch In the rafters you have to secure your base to the floor. With the winch secured to the base you can move that puller any where you want It. And your loading and un loading comment dosen't hold water. My gambrel set up rides up and down the mast and It sticks out about 18" so I can back the truck right up to the mast and load or un load as I see fit. And of coarse I can take It outside and load or un load as I see fit. There are lots of ways of doing things It's just how much you think out of the box Is what matters. Hey Boone I use to use a 10" butterfly valve. But then I went to using a slip noose.
Last edited by The Beav; 02/03/18 12:08 PM.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6146471
02/03/18 01:15 PM
02/03/18 01:15 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Wisconsin
|
Think out of the box lads.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6146496
02/03/18 01:29 PM
02/03/18 01:29 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2018
Westmoreland Co. PA
wstrnPAtrapper
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2018
Westmoreland Co. PA
|
Ok in the very beginning of the thread a horizontal skinner is mentioned. I have lower ceilings in my garage and I’m curious on how it would work compared to vertical. Any pics or experience using one?
It’s a long road to wisdom. It’s a short one to being ignored.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: The Beav]
#6146583
02/03/18 02:41 PM
02/03/18 02:41 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: John-Chagnon]
#6150329
02/06/18 10:05 PM
02/06/18 10:05 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
Thank you for sharing Pics ADC very nice stuff. John, you're welcome. Folks that are skinning many coons or any coyotes need a skinning machine. Whether they buy one from me or someone else, or build it themselves or have it built for them, I like to help them out. May as well get it right the first time around. As they say there's more than one way to skin a cat coyote, but I have learned a lot about it over the years and feel confident helping others with it. Work smarter, not harder. 
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: Terrence j]
#6150875
02/07/18 02:02 PM
02/07/18 02:02 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
ADC how does that trap door setup work? Do you have to skin the coyote or coon down further by hand to use it? I built it the way the fella asked me to. I have built a few of them since. He says he pulls it a little farther but not much than the vice grip skinners. He just pulls all the hide he can to the back and puts it in the trap door. He regrips after its down below the nose.
Last edited by ~ADC~; 02/07/18 02:04 PM.
|
|
|
Re: How much height needed for skinning machine ?
[Re: kyron4]
#6151001
02/07/18 05:41 PM
02/07/18 05:41 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
|
|
|
|
|