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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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Remember those Vic 2s with the inside out jaws?When coyotes showed up here they ate the jaws for lunch.
 I replaced the jaws with 1.75 round jaws, they've been good traps ever since.
 
 I'd be hacked about the damage on the new supposed coyote traps too.
 
 
 
 
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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Derek and Mud and Steel,I wish I knew how to help you.  I've had good luck with mine.  I'm sorry to hear that you've not been as fortunate.  I also understand that you were simply asking about traps.  Somehow or another the topic ran off the road.  If they're not working for you, then it's time for a change.  You can't be putting steel in the ground that you're not comfortable with.  Best of luck the rest of the season.
 
 
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
[Re: Mud & Steel]
 #6153166 02/09/18 11:49 PM
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I'm in the "unhappy with the Duke #2 square jaw" camp
 Second year using them, bought all of mine at the NTA convention in Kalamazoo in 2016.  2nd season using them along with my son's Bridger #2 dogless and my MB550s.
 
 The Dukes are all going and more MBs are going to be purchased by me, my son likes the  Bridgers best, he will buy more of them
 
 Point is.  Use what works best for you there are plenty of brands, styles, ect
 
 Like every other product, people like something's aNd not others, some people get bad lots or good lots
 
 Use what your confident with, promote what works for you and catch critters
 
 Every day is a gift from GOD, don't waste it!!
 
 If they have plenty of food, give them something interesting to smell
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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 #6153409 02/10/18 10:18 AM
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Well you boys have overwhelming convinced me to get rid of all my #2 Dukes and buy something else. I guess your never to old to learn.
 But wait a minute. There are a few of us on here that have no problems with the #2 Duke. So does that make us exceptional over the top trappers that can take any trap and make them preform? Or are we just lucky?
 Maybe I'll have to re think the selling of my traps. But I do plan on buying some Dogless traps just not sure what kind yet.
 Have a good day guys.
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
[Re: Mud & Steel]
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No doubt about it Beav. Your the man. 
 Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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Don't know about that. I just think I'm lucky.
 Maybe Bill makes special order traps just for Me. LOL
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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 #6153539 02/10/18 12:46 PM
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Just can't see why I would continue to use a tool that doesn't perform as well as another for the same job.  Just doesn't make sense if you can afford a better tool to not  use the better tool
 
 Never said they don't work, said they don't work as well that's just silly to keep using a tool that loses money for you
 
 Every day is a gift from GOD, don't waste it!!
 
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If anyone wants to know how THE BEAVE felt about the Duke #2 square jaw when it was first introduced https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads....nds#Post5497264 YES, he did get at least one directly from Mr Duke  #6153516 - Today at 10:22 AM  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps [Re: Mud & Steel] The Beav   trapper  Registered: 12/23/06  Posts: 12361  Loc: Wisconsin	 Don't know about that. I just think I'm lucky. Maybe Bill makes special order traps just for Me. LOL _________________________ The forum Know It All according to Muskrat Top	 Reply   Quote   Quick Reply   Quick Quote   Notify   Email Post 
 Every day is a gift from GOD, don't waste it!!
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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And for the purpose of full disclosure.....
 I posted and believed when I bought my first 3 dozen at the 2016 convention and handled them and started using them that they were a very good trap, but time has changed my mind as the more time in the field has given me a side by side comparison to the other traps I use.    And that includes my Duke #4 that I use on drags for coyotes as well as for drowner rigs for beaver. I really like the # 4 Dukes
 
 Every day is a gift from GOD, don't waste it!!
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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So I would like to address the term PULL OUTS.
 If my trap Is sprung In the bed. I don't consider that a pull out.
 
 If my trap Is set off and pulled out of the bed. I don't consider that a pull out.
 
 Now If there Is a huge tear up and I can see that the animal has been held for  awhile. Then I "may" consider that a pull out. That animal may have been TOE caught. Is that the traps fault?
 
 I'm willing to bet that a well tuned  coyote sized trap making a good pad catch Is going to hold the coyote.
 
 I'm not pointing fingers but there are lots of factors that play a part when a animal gets away. And It's not always the traps fault. The trapper has to recognize his part In the big picture.
 
 If anyone wants to ship their #2 Dukes to me. I'll gladly pay for the shipping.
 
 
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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Beav I saw it.  Tracks, hair still between the jaws, set tore up, cat had pulled out. 3 different sets in one day. The traps Derek got, #2 duke, square jaw, factory 4 coil. Saw a couple in his vehicle bed with about an 1/8th inch gap between the jaws in the center. Derek told me coyotes did it and I believe him. All the coyotes he caught that day I went, were in his KO traps. Told me he switched all his cat sets to #2 dukes. They were not working on cats either though I didn't see where a cat had bent the jaws.
 The problem is the trap. Not bedding or inability to read sign or trap cats. He put cat #25 on a stretcher Thursday in about 3 weeks of trapping them. I haven't talked to him since Thursday it may be more now. No record but a very respectable catch in my book.
 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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 #6154195 02/11/18 12:02 AM
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Beav I saw it.  Tracks, hair still between the jaws, set tore up, cat had pulled out. 3 different sets in one day. The traps Derek got, #2 duke, square jaw, factory 4 coil. Saw a couple in his vehicle bed with about an 1/8th inch gap between the jaws in the center. Derek told me coyotes did it and I believe him. All the coyotes he caught that day I went, were in his KO traps. Told me he switched all his cat sets to #2 dukes. They were not working on cats either though I didn't see where a cat had bent the jaws.
 The problem is the trap. Not bedding or inability to read sign or trap cats. He put cat #25 on a stretcher Thursday in about 3 weeks of trapping them. I haven't talked to him since Thursday it may be more now. No record but a very respectable catch in my book.
 I believe you Danny.  I just haven't had any of those problems. And I've caught and held quit a few coyotes In them. 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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WolfDog you need a debris gap before you start thinking about making the trap offset. Adding lugs to a trap with out a debris gap will even leave a bigger gap If It gets clogged up. 
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|  Re: Duke #2 square jaw 4 coil traps
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So those that are having problems with the Duke #2 square jaws what do you figure Is the problem? 
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