Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: swedeole]
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02/15/18 07:04 AM
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Finster, in response to your demand that teachers "should be armed and if they refuse they should be dismissed" that is perhaps the most stupid thing I have ever read. More guns ain't the answer big boy - less easily obtained automatic weapons, fewer 15-shot magazines would be a good start tho.
I know I'll be labeled as some kind of traitor by you guns nuts, but I'd personally love to see some common sense and less NRA-driven paranoia. I personally hunt and carry a firearm more days than most on here, but I hate AR's. Seeing kids bloody in the streets every week is making me re-think my philosophy. Dead teenagers or semi-auto rifles. Hmm, seem like an easy choice. Nobody needs to be able to buy an AR, and nobody needs a 15 or 30 shell magazine. I'd be happy as heck if they were outlawed.
Gimme my shotgun, a .22 and a couple deer rifles. I won't ever own an AR.
Go ahead and have at me. I don't care.
What a crock! Teachers should all be armed and highly trained for their own safety as well as the safety of the students. It should be a job requirement. I love how you liberals want to ban an inanimate abject every time and not look at the real cause of mental illness. NONE of my AR's have ever shot anyone, they have never jumped down off the rack, walked out the door and performed a mass shooting. As usual, your argument is half witted. How many people are killed every year by drunk drivers? Maybe we could ban all cars? Think of the lives it would save. After all, with your liberal way of thinking, that would solve the problem. So let's all go back to horses and save lives! In countries where guns are harder to come by, mass murders haven't slowed down. People get plowed over by truck, blown up by bombs, killed with knives and countless other methods. What do they all have in common? In one form or another, mental illness. If teachers were trained and armed, they would at least have a chance. Then again, common sense seems to be lacking these days especially in the liberal camp if it ever existed there at all.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: swedeole]
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02/15/18 08:07 AM
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Slippery slope my arse. That's just an NRA talking point. Ingrain in their base that ANY gun law is a bad thing. That banning any type of gun is a bad thing.
It's common sense. When we see mass shootings and every one of them is with an AR and 15 or 30 round magazines, common sense would dictate that maybe we should do something about them. The shooting is not about the gun, but the massive body counts and carnage and wasted lives of innocent teenagers IS about the guns.
With 300+ million people in our country, there's going to be some severely mentally ill/unstable/violent people who will slip through the cracks and do mass shootings. But there would be a lot fewer dead children at the end of it if these people weren't able to get military-style AR's and 30 round clips whenever they wanted them.
You can't argue with that. Yep. Even foxnews is questioning the ease with which these weapons can get into the wrong hands.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: swedeole]
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02/15/18 08:17 AM
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Schools can't afford supplies under the current budgets. And Fister is suggesting we arm and train all teachers to use firearms in a dynamic situation? Get real. The reality is the majority of Americans agree with swedole. Time for real action. Finster, in response to your demand that teachers "should be armed and if they refuse they should be dismissed" that is perhaps the most stupid thing I have ever read. More guns ain't the answer big boy - less easily obtained automatic weapons, fewer 15-shot magazines would be a good start tho.
I know I'll be labeled as some kind of traitor by you guns nuts, but I'd personally love to see some common sense and less NRA-driven paranoia. I personally hunt and carry a firearm more days than most on here, but I hate AR's. Seeing kids bloody in the streets every week is making me re-think my philosophy. Dead teenagers or semi-auto rifles. Hmm, seem like an easy choice. Nobody needs to be able to buy an AR, and nobody needs a 15 or 30 shell magazine. I'd be happy as heck if they were outlawed.
Gimme my shotgun, a .22 and a couple deer rifles. I won't ever own an AR.
Go ahead and have at me. I don't care.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: Finster]
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02/15/18 09:11 AM
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I have to believe that there are plenty of “non-assault” style guns that he could have used. I don’t see That banning certain guns would have any effect. I also believe that there are plenty of hi capacity magazines made and sold already. Banning them wouldn’t mean you couldn’t get them.
Arming teachers is a choice. How much training does a LEO need to be able to wield a pistol in an area full of innocent people? Seems like a lot to me. You’d have to do a heck of a lot of training. That’s expensive. I certainly don’t believe each teacher should be forced into that. Some of them simply wouldn’t cut it. How many people can’t cut it in law enforcement? I guess if the teacher wanted to be trained and was capable great, otherwise, it looks obvious that schools need their own security or police officers at each door. That’s expensive too, but if folks are willing to pay for it, it’s a solution.
Not sure about people carrying in school without training to use the gun in that situation. The training I had to get my ccw permit certainly didn’t have training for that situation. The police would probably shoot an adult with a gun in a school if they saw them. How would you tell if they were the bad guy? I’d like to hear from some LEO’s on that.
The kid was expelled from school. Maybe that should be a red flag for buying guns? Is there even a check on rifles? I’m not sure if that would have stopped him.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: AntiGov]
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02/15/18 09:58 AM
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Not sure about this case , but the common denominator in all these nut job shootings is prescribed psychotropic meds
Little Johnny has issues
He is taken to a Dr.
The doctor is trained to diagnose and places little Johnny in one of many categories. ( schizophrenia, bipolar, depression , anxiety, etc )
The doctor must label little Johnny or he cannot prescribe any medication
The doctor repeats this process with thousands of patients annually making an exceptional living
The truth is that all little Johnny needed was a swift kick in the a zzzzz now and then That's the truth! Some of you pansies blaming the AR is laughable. You're probably the same ones who put your kid's nose in the corner instead of whipping his little @ss when he get's out of line.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: Finster]
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02/15/18 10:00 AM
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all comes down to nobody being held accountable for their actions for too long now.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: Finster]
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02/15/18 10:11 AM
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I doubt they will go door to door confiscating them,they will,like you said,make it a felony to posess one,and go from there.Most law abiding citizens have more at stake to take the chance of a 10 year prison sentence than turning in one gun.A lot will keep them but will be taking a big chance if they ever try to use them.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: pcr2]
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02/15/18 10:15 AM
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all comes down to nobody being held accountable for their actions for too long now. I agree with you.
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Re: Active school shooting!
[Re: Finster]
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02/15/18 10:23 AM
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MORE- God, more discipline, more accountability, more parenting. LESS- electronics, less "time outs", less participation trophies.
Has nothing to do with guns, or the amount of rounds in the magazine. You can kill with a butter knife. Smaller mag sizes only means you can carry more of them. All this violence and senseless murder in our world is heart breaking. Very sad. But, banning guns or restrictions on mag capacity won't change or help.
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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Re: Active school shooting!
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02/15/18 10:27 AM
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I wont ever budge on my Second Amendment rights. Anyone who does, needs to get on a plane and move to Australia if you dont like our Guns!
I agree. By the way, how is Australia's crime rate.....
When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
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