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Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6162498 02/19/18 10:13 AM 02/19/18 10:13 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 494 Underwood,Indiana M mask bandit trapper
mask bandit trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 494 Underwood,Indiana	Oh I forgot there is a couple guy's at Friendship that sells guns where the firing range is , then at the primitive side there are few guys that sell also.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6162616 02/19/18 12:01 PM 02/19/18 12:01 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 415 SE Idaho R Range trapper
Range trapper R Joined: May 2009 Posts: 415 SE Idaho	Nice shootin RHuff. I’ve always wanted a small bore muzzleloader. Anyone heard how TasteLikeChicken is doing. He used to post beautiful muzzleloaders that he made on here. I hope that his health is good and he’s back at it. If you talk to the parts guy I am looking for a wood New Englander stock. I broke mine and replaced it with a plastic one I found on eBay. Looks terrible with the black plastic stock but still works as a hunting gun. I see wood ones on eBay but they’re always listed at more than I am willing to spend. Maybe I just shouldn’t be so cheap.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6163174 02/19/18 08:22 PM 02/19/18 08:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Range there have been a few New Englander stocks on Gunbroker that were reasonably priced

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6163193 02/19/18 08:36 PM 02/19/18 08:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma	Originally Posted By: RHuff Gonna try .015 patches next chance I get going to keep powder charge pretty low for now. Got my start load data from someone with lots of experience with a 32 Cherokee. With a 1 in 30 twist it is designed to shoot a PRB accurately with a light charge. This is going to be a strictly small game inside 35-40 yard gun so don't need a lot of powder unless I cant get a good tight group then I will start bumping it up. May be the most fun I have had shooting in a long time. Put 20 rounds through it only swabbed barrel once just to see if I had any loading or fouling issues but no problems. Cleanup was pretty easy also. The set trigger was an interesting experience it was set very light and I did much better after adjusting it never shot a set trigger before today. I didn't realize the Cherokee had such a fast twist... You should indeed do well with low powder charges. You shouldn't have too many fouling problems using 777. But make very sure you clean it well. Subs are just as corrosive, if not more, than real black powder. I've read accounts claiming subs will continue to corrode a barrel even after the barrel is cleaned... But I can't verify that. Subs are easier to obtain, that's for sure. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6163194 02/19/18 08:36 PM 02/19/18 08:36 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 415 SE Idaho R Range trapper
Range trapper R Joined: May 2009 Posts: 415 SE Idaho	I will start watching there too. Thanks I probably shouldn’t mess with it but I just don’t like the black plastic look.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6164391 02/20/18 08:20 PM 02/20/18 08:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	I scrubbed it real good after shooting and will check it again and make sure she is spotless.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6164499 02/20/18 09:33 PM 02/20/18 09:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio F fastleo trapper
fastleo trapper F Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio	I have a 32 Cherokee as well. I shoot a .311 ball with a .015 patch. It shoots one hole groups at 25 yards. I also shoot 32 cal t/c maxi balls that weigh 107gr with 30 or 40gr of 3f with the same accuracy. If you pursue the 32 maxi ball route hold out for the real t/c mold. The Lee mold is not the same

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6164502 02/20/18 09:36 PM 02/20/18 09:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio F fastleo trapper
fastleo trapper F Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio	Does your t/c parts guy have front and rear peep sights for a hawken? I also need a breech plug for a 54 cal renegade Last edited by fastleo; 02/20/18 09:37 PM.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6164512 02/20/18 09:41 PM 02/20/18 09:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma	Originally Posted By: RHuff I scrubbed it real good after shooting and will check it again and make sure she is spotless. Like I said, I have no way of verifying if the claims about subs continuing to corrode are true... I honestly think it comes from purists who tend to look down on folks who don't use real black powder. I use black powder in my flints because subs are unreliable with flint ignition. I've shot 777 in my .50 caplock for years without an issue. But no harm in keeping your smokepole as clean as you can. It will pay dividends. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6165620 02/21/18 07:52 PM 02/21/18 07:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Fastleo I will check with him I know he is starting to sell some stuff off on gunbroker he has a greenmountain replacement barrel for a Renegade that is new with a 1 in 28 twist that would be a good replacement. Ill let you know in the next day or so.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6168752 02/24/18 02:47 PM 02/24/18 02:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio F fastleo trapper
fastleo trapper F Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio	Thank you sir!!!

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6169461 02/25/18 09:15 AM 02/25/18 09:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,163 Ohio D Don Adams trapper
Don Adams trapper D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,163 Ohio	Tip Curtis sells well built working man's rifles at Friendship - very reasonably priced. 1200 - 1500 - components anymore are close to that cost now and I only see the prices going up. If you feel up to it - Jim Kibler sells kits that are pretty well ready for assembly. I think they start at 995.00 if you go up in the grade of wood - then is a little higher. He has two different styles available.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6170208 02/25/18 07:11 PM 02/25/18 07:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Got to shoot the 32 again today followed advice and used same load but moved up to .015 patch and things tightened up. It was blowing at 18 mph so couldn't find every patch but ones I found were in great shape. Cant wait till good weather so I can shoot it off a bench and get the load completely worked out. Gonna start shooting the 36 next week hopefully, Cant wait to make a trip to Friendship this year and look at a few flintlocks. I am pretty clumsy with wood and tools so probably wont try building a kit unless it super easy.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6170209 02/25/18 07:12 PM 02/25/18 07:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Need to buy some life sized squirrel targets.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6170621 02/26/18 01:54 AM 02/26/18 01:54 AM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio F fastleo trapper
fastleo trapper F Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 407 ohio	If you want to try maxi balls out of the 32 I got some extras. Don’t be shy with the powder either. Max charge is 50gr for a patched rb

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6170633 02/26/18 02:32 AM 02/26/18 02:32 AM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma	Originally Posted By: RHuff Need to buy some life sized squirrel targets. Get some ping pong balls... It'll tune you up for head shots. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6170781 02/26/18 09:44 AM 02/26/18 09:44 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 23,696 New Hampshire N Nessmuck trapper
Nessmuck trapper N Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 23,696 New Hampshire	Are you running a wet cleaning patch ....followed buy a dry patch ,in between shots ?...makes loading easier....good shooting ! And you could bump up 5 grains of powder and record your findings . It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6171369 02/26/18 08:07 PM 02/26/18 08:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Yep swabbing after each shot now going to work on powder also. I like the ping pong idea. Shot the 36 today and learned a lot. couldn't get any group at all using .10 and .15 patches so I used 2 .10 patches and things got way better. So then I doubled my cleaning patch thickness and that helped too. These 2 will be small game only so don't need real high velocity but am going to bump charges up to see what charge shoots tightest group. Fastleo my guy emailed me and has a 15 16thsTC Tang and Tang sight with missing aperature for 75 and a 15 16s Tang and Williams Tang sight for 75 a TC front sight for 15 And a renegade breech plug for 35.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6171374 02/26/18 08:10 PM 02/26/18 08:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In. R RHuff OP trapper
RHuff OP trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 593 Tipton, In.	Any body own a 54 smooth bore I have been told it can be loaded as a 28 shotgun which is my favorite shotgun.

Re: muzzle loading [Re: RHuff] #6171381 02/26/18 08:17 PM 02/26/18 08:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 23,696 New Hampshire N Nessmuck trapper
Nessmuck trapper N Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 23,696 New Hampshire	What size ball you using with the 36.? .....instead of doubling your .010 patch.....I would use a bigger ball ( next size up ) and run a .015-.018 patch. Are you using a pre lubed patch or luring them yourself ? It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

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