Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/24/18 06:00 PM
02/24/18 06:00 PM
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If it is real it is a token given out by the Hudson Bay Trading Co. Value equal to one beaver pelt.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/24/18 06:14 PM
02/24/18 06:14 PM
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I know a guy that has a nice collection of all kinds of those fur tokens,and a bunch of other stuff from the old days of the fur trade.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/24/18 06:14 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that before the 'official' HB Beaver made tokens were produced out of brass (in 1, 1/2, 1/4, and 1/8 made beaver values), there were tokens made of wood, bone, and other metals. Might this be one of those? Real interesting, whatever it is, and I look forward to someone's definitive answer. Cool...
Jack
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/24/18 06:23 PM
02/24/18 06:23 PM
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From what I have seen looking it up on google, it is pre 1850's, the only example of one similar to yours I found on Pinterest but it has 2 cartouches/trademarks above the beavers head and tail, some of the best condition pieces on eBay are very spendy and I imagine they are more rare examples because one was around 2700.00 and a few other of the minted tokens were around 7-800.00. I am still searching for something closer to your example.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
MTA and NTA Member.
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Moosetrot]
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02/24/18 11:20 PM
02/24/18 11:20 PM
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A friend of mine used to cast replicas out of pewter and silver, and with a little "aging" they looked very authentic.
Moosetrot
He would not be a friend of mine doing BS like that if he is selling them with out it having on it "Copy" on it , I am a coin collector and I am sick of all the counter fits being produced of rare coins its not good for the hobby or for an investor.
50 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/25/18 12:01 AM
02/25/18 12:01 AM
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I think the "copies" on eBay are the ones selling for 42-45 dollars, the real ones fetch far more, on a collecter sales site they were listing some between 400-800.00, on eBay they have some (very few actually) selling in that price range and 1 I saw listed for 2700.00 as I mentioned above, there is a very wide variety of these tokens out there, the earliest versions were pretty crudely made but are interesting for sure.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
MTA and NTA Member.
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Re: old hudson bay piece
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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02/25/18 12:25 AM
02/25/18 12:25 AM
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Moosetrot
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He was selling them with full disclosure that they were copies and in no way represented them as originals...ever. As one of the most talented silversmiths I ever ran into, he could very well have counterfeited them as originals but he never did.
Edit: Was just talking to my wife about this and she reminded me that virtually every piece he made had his own touchmark cast into them.
He was what I call a good friend until he died of cancer 3 years ago. I still consider him a good friend and miss his friendship and talents a lot.
'Nuff said!????
Moosetrot
Last edited by Moosetrot; 02/25/18 12:35 AM.
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