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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177382
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Why support a group that endorsed forcing you to pay to get permission to own a suppressor or full auto. Why should you need permission let alone pay for it? NRA says now they are against forcing a license for suppressors but the NRA supported the bill that requires it.

You can thank the NRA for making it a crime to buy a handgun for your 16 year old granddaughter.

You can thank the NRA for the requirement to go through a dealer, fill out paperwork, pay a fee, just to buy a mailorder firearm.

I could go on but I won't. I won't ever give them another nickel either.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton] #6177389
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Not every battle is winnable Danny. Compromise is inevitable if an organization wishes to remain relevant. The NRA understands that as do most reasonable people.

Instead of focusing on the relatively few failures of the NRA, I wish folks could focus on the fact that it is the one organization that has done more to protect against political infringement of the second amendment than any other. They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years in the successful legal defense of 2A. Likewise they have spent hundreds of millions in the support and promotion of both gun safety and the shooting sports. They are the most powerful gun lobby in the world. They are the most powerful voice of the American gun owner. Everyone of the NRA's detractors needs to understand and respect those facts.


Eh...wot?

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Lugnut] #6177390
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I have nothing at all against other gun owner's groups like GOA. I understand though that they do not have anywhere near the political clout or the financial resources of the NRA. The NRA is going to be the biggest bang for any conscientious gun-owner's buck.


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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177399
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Personally, I am for background check.....why would I support a convicted murderer or looney tune being able to buy a firearm?

I guess some will say that I am selling out on the second amendment....

Bump stock ban?.....no skin off my nose as its sole purpose it to bypass an existing gun law.

Full auto over the counter sales?.......with no background check of any kind?

No, thanks anyway.


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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177400
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Compromise in government is fine when dealing with tax levy's, or deciding what color carpets to put in the public library, ect.
It is not fine when dealing with the very spine of the republic.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: FlyinFinn] #6177402
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So cut your nose off to spite your face?

They are the best we got and they've been doing a pretty good job for a very long time.


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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177414
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It is really disappointing to see some members on here acting like they are taking the high ground by letting do their share of the lifting. As Lugnut so eloquently stated the NRA is the first line of defense against the anti-gunners. If you have issues about the way they do things, join up and fight to change them, don't sit on the sidelines and disparage the efforts of others.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177426
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Answer this; if you admit that the goal of leftists is disarmament, and compromise is inevitable then the logical end of the compromise ends in disarmament. Why is that something to be 'the first line of defense? From outward appearances it looks not to be a defense at all, more of the delaying action of a retreat.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177438
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I guess you can take up an indefensible position and yell "foul" until you are beat or join up and fight the good fight.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177441
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I will join your organized gun rights protection group, Give me a name of one that passes your muster and I will join it Finn.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177443
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Whether you agree or not with any particular organization, its ultimately down to the voters to make the stand.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177445
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Originally Posted By: corky
It is really disappointing to see some members on here acting like they are taking the high ground by letting do their share of the lifting. As Lugnut so eloquently stated the NRA is the first line of defense against the anti-gunners. If you have issues about the way they do things, join up and fight to change them, don't sit on the sidelines and disparage the efforts of others.


Great point about getting involved Corky. With any large organization, there are always going to be people and things the majority of folks don't agree with. The answer is getting involved.

For all you current members; when you receive this month's Board of Directors ballot please vote for Adam Kraut.



He is a lawyer who works for Prince Law Offices where they specialize in 2A issues. He is also a member of the Firearms Consulting Group.

Here is a link to his page:

Adam Kraut

There are admittedly some directors on the NRA board that shouldn't be there. Some are constant no-shows and others are not fully aligned with our cause. Adam is just the sort we need to make some changes.


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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: FlyinFinn] #6177448
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Answer this; if you admit that the goal of leftists is disarmament, and compromise is inevitable then the logical end of the compromise ends in disarmament. Why is that something to be 'the first line of defense? From outward appearances it looks not to be a defense at all, more of the delaying action of a retreat.


That is an overly-simplistic view of a very large and complex issue.


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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177507
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Diggerman you nailed it!!!!

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Marty] #6177529
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Originally Posted By: Marty
Personally, I am for background check.....why would I support a convicted murderer or looney tune being able to buy a firearm?

I guess some will say that I am selling out on the second amendment....

Bump stock ban?.....no skin off my nose as its sole purpose it to bypass an existing gun law.

Full auto over the counter sales?.......with no background check of any kind?

No, thanks anyway.


Background checks? No thanks. If you aren't safe enough to carry arms you should be locked up.

Bump stocks? It isn't anyone elses business how much money and ammo an individual burns through.

Full auto? That argument is the same as is currently being used against semi auto weapons. It is villifying the gun, not the idiot pulling the trigger.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6177534
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Originally Posted By: lee steinmeyer
Sounds like a list that I'll never do business with! Bottom scum, each and everyone!
Lee summed it up. I renewed my membership yesterday. Yea they send you junk mail but if it wasn't for them we would be up poo creek with no paddle!

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Diggerman] #6177559
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Originally Posted By: Diggerman
I will join your organized gun rights protection group, Give me a name of one that passes your muster and I will join it Finn.

I am an member of Gun Owners of America.
https://gunowners.org
Thank you for joining. I do not disparage those who do join the NRA, even those who support 'reasonable restrictions'. I only ask that you enter into the relationship with your eyes wide open and realize what is going on. Thank you.

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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Lugnut] #6177562
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Answer this; if you admit that the goal of leftists is disarmament, and compromise is inevitable then the logical end of the compromise ends in disarmament. Why is that something to be 'the first line of defense? From outward appearances it looks not to be a defense at all, more of the delaying action of a retreat.

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That is an overly-simplistic view of a very large and complex issue.


It is only a large and complex issue because you, I and our ancestors allowed to become one. Our Constitution was written to disbarr government meddling in certain things. We have failed to constrain it and I cannot abide by making it anymore complex

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Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: Lugnut] #6177582
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Originally Posted By: Lugnut
Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Answer this; if you admit that the goal of leftists is disarmament, and compromise is inevitable then the logical end of the compromise ends in disarmament. Why is that something to be 'the first line of defense? From outward appearances it looks not to be a defense at all, more of the delaying action of a retreat.


That is an overly-simplistic view of a very large and complex issue.


Yep, Finn and Danny don't understand that in every war won, not every battle was won.

Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky] #6177608
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Compromise doesn't end in disarmament unless the Supreme Court finds disarmament constitutional.


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