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MB 450 OS or reg. for greys #6169910
02/25/18 02:24 PM
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I'm sure its been asked before but here I go.

Next fall I plan on traveling to a different part of Iowa to try and catch some grey fox. We don't have them where I live.

As usual when trapping fox theirs always a chance on hooking up with a yote instead.

I have a few 450 reg. jaws, but would the OS ones work better for both critters or the the reg. jaws.

Brad


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6169926
02/25/18 02:34 PM
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We have to use offset, but I don’t think it makes a difference for grey fox. Don’t think it makes a difference for any species. The 450 off set is all my buddy will use for coyotes.

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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6169935
02/25/18 02:42 PM
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I would use what you have.They should work well.

Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170102
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If you don't have to use Offsets don't.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170113
02/25/18 05:56 PM
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Beav, don't have to.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170141
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In my opinion an offset jawed trap Is going to cause more foot damage on those small footed greys.
But then your not trapping for the live market are you.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170151
02/25/18 06:27 PM
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Reg jaws and offsets work very well for Greys and reds. The wide jaw face on the 450 is tailor made for greys.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170195
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But there Is no need to go out and buy offsets because your trapping grey fox.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170205
02/25/18 07:09 PM
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I only have 2 450 reg. jaws. I thought I'd get 3 more. Probably going to stick with reg. jaws.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6170223
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I'm not a fan of offsets. I caught a coyote by one toe(MB550 reg. jaw), if it was an offset I believe it would have not been there that morning. I have caught quite a few greys in 1-1/2 Victors, no offsets, no issues. MB450 with the cast jaws all the better!

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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6172679
02/27/18 10:36 PM
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I have 4 of each, offset n regular jaw, haven't really noticed much difference in either. When they are set off, always been a critter in them. If I buy more, think it will be offsets, just for pets n blood flow to the paw. I do like the 450's overall, pricey but great trap.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: rendezvous] #6172690
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Originally Posted By: rendezvous
I'm not a fan of offsets. I caught a coyote by one toe(MB550 reg. jaw), if it was an offset I believe it would have not been there that morning. I have caught quite a few greys in 1-1/2 Victors, no offsets, no issues. MB450 with the cast jaws all the better!


550 offset............

Yep one toe. 32lbs yote. I'm very very happy with how the MB550 have performed for me. All of mine are offset jaws

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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: coalminer] #6172779
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Originally Posted By: coalminer
I have 4 of each, offset n regular jaw, haven't really noticed much difference in either. When they are set off, always been a critter in them. If I buy more, think it will be offsets, just for pets n blood flow to the paw. I do like the 450's overall, pricey but great trap.


You can forget about more blood flow due to and offset.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6172810
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When and why did offset jaws come into play ? Someone felt the need for them for some reason. Just marketing a new design to trappers ? Just curious.

Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: kyron4] #6173110
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Originally Posted By: kyron4
When and why did offset jaws come into play ? Someone felt the need for them for some reason. Just marketing a new design to trappers ? Just curious.


Good question!! Anyone have any answers?


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6173167
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It was a feel good deal with not a lot of thought behind It. A 3 /16ths or 1/4" gap Isn't going to do much for animal comfort.
If designed correctly the spring levers will come up a bit higher on a offset jawed trap over that of a regular jawed trap. This In theory will give you better lock up.

In my opinion If It isn't a law In your state I wouldn't be using offset jawed traps.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6173385
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Originally Posted By: imissed
Originally Posted By: kyron4
When and why did offset jaws come into play ? Someone felt the need for them for some reason. Just marketing a new design to trappers ? Just curious.


Good question!! Anyone have any answers?


There's two answers to this and anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. Off sets were designed by trappers to allow the levers to go higher up the jaws, creating more holding power especially on traps with weaker springs. But the general public likes offsets because they don't look as mean as regular jawed traps even though they do not change the fact the springs are putting pressure on the jaws which is pushing on the foot to hold the animal.

It's like toothed traps, the most humane trap out there. They look mean so the general public doesn't like them. Kind of like an AR-15. It looks meaner to the general public so its the easier one to restrict.


If traps work like the Antis say......I would have no fingers.


Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: The Beav] #6173520
02/28/18 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
It was a feel good deal with not a lot of thought behind It. A 3 /16ths or 1/4" gap Isn't going to do much for animal comfort.
If designed correctly the spring levers will come up a bit higher on a offset jawed trap over that of a regular jawed trap. This In theory will give you better lock up.

In my opinion If It isn't a law In your state I wouldn't be using offset jawed traps.


Beav is spot on with this info about offset jaws.

Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 02/28/18 07:58 PM.

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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6173668
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I use offsets for the mechanical advantage. Wide jaws with the right power so the foot cant move is most important. I loose very very few coyotes.


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Re: MB 450 OS or reg. for greys [Re: imissed] #6174000
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Absolutely don’t use offsets unless it’s state law. The 450 is the trap of choice for me and I’ve done extensive testing with the regular jaw versus the offset.


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