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Suppressors and the waiting game... #6199497
03/25/18 08:49 PM
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SO I fronted my hard earned cash in November of 2017 for a Gemtec GM-22 suppressor and a Gemtech "The One" suppressor. I got my trust established and all paperwork submitted properly. The gunshop, I bought them from is owned by a law firm that handles the trusts and all the paperwork.

SO after fronting over $1600.00 in cash. Here I sit with probably many more months to go. Although my applications had the new bar codes that are supposed to save the ATF time. My Trust is new and will have to be reviewed and placed on file.

SO anyone else waiting? No way to check the status. Just sit and wait!!!!!!

Last edited by H5Farm; 03/25/18 08:54 PM.
Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199500
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Sure is a good thing our right to keep and bear arms isn't being infringed or it would be a lot worse.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199506
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A trust established? What does that have to do with a supressor? Forgive my ignorance if it is obvious.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199509
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I refuse to jump through all those hoops to have something that should be easy to have. Come on NRA.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: Rat Masterson] #6199513
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Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
I refuse to jump through all those hoops to have something that should be easy to have. Come on NRA.

The same reason I do not own a pistol or an AR15.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199516
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If you dont put them in a trust then technically your are setting your family up for problems. If your single no big deal.

If you leave them in the house or in a car others have access to they are violating the law if they are not on your trust.

If you die your family must contact law enforcement and turn them in or they are in violation of Federal law.

The list goes on and on.

If you use a trust you say who they will go to. If not they get destroyed. It sucks but its the law. Also having multiple persons on your trust allow them to be borrowed or left with someone with no issues.

They can be past on from generation to generation without having to pay a tax stamp again or wait 9 to 12 months to get them.

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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199521
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Put me on there..... smile

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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199528
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Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. I would say anything more complicated than cashing your tax stamp check will probably mean you'll be too old to use the suppressor before they get around to reading the trust. I am a bit of a cynic tho.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199550
03/25/18 09:40 PM
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Worked with a guy that went through all this and it seems it was about 10 months before he got his suppressor.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199566
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As some one who has a living trust, you better make sure you do not have to have that trust in a waiting period before it is effective.

When I had mine done I had to wait two years after filing to have it go into effect, after that it's nothing to add anything to it other than the lawyer cost, meaning there is no new grace period to wait through.

And of course all states laws are different, just don't want you waiting for another long period without knowing all about the trust !


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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199639
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Bought a DIAS (full auto sear) many years ago took like 9 months for it to hit the class III dealers store a dealer to dealer transfer is $5 if I went and transferred it to me the transfer stamp was $200. We had just bought a place on the lake and I needed a steel building more then a ammo eating AR.

If I had kept it the last time I checked the value had tripled in 10 years many Class III weapons are investment for some folks just like gold or sliver is.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199689
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The idea of having a simple piece of steel set aside as an investment for rich snobs solely by government protectionism should rankle any modern patriot.

*I feel I must clarify. I do not think the $200 tax stamp needed for a suppressor limits them to rich snobs. However, in 1933 when the $200 tax stamp was made law, it was only for rich snobs. While a tax stamp is easily financially attainable (because of inflation), the price of automatic weapons of class blah blah blah are hugely over priced because of lack of supply. The supply is artificially kept low by protectionism and taken advantage of by investors who-once invested-have a pretty keen interest in keeping the government protectionism in place. They look like weapon enthusiasts on the outside, but are only enthusiastic about their privilege.

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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199691
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What stops a guy from making his own, in the legal sense ?


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: trapper les] #6199693
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
What stops a guy from making his own, in the legal sense ?

Nothing, with a $200 tax stamp from the ATF..


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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199694
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No new manufacturing is allowed for private use or sale. All class III parts that are new manufacture are only allowed for government purchase.

Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: FlyinFinn] #6199700
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
The idea of having a simple piece of steel set aside as an investment for rich snobs solely by government protectionism should rankle any modern patriot.

*I feel I must clarify. I do not think the $200 tax stamp needed for a suppressor limits them to rich snobs. However, in 1933 when the $200 tax stamp was made law, it was only for rich snobs. While a tax stamp is easily financially attainable (because of inflation), the price of automatic weapons of class blah blah blah are hugely over priced because of lack of supply. The supply is artificially kept low by protectionism and taken advantage of by investors who-once invested-have a pretty keen interest in keeping the government protectionism in place. They look like weapon enthusiasts on the outside, but are only enthusiastic about their privilege.


Yep. Prior to the NFA a suppressor could be bought at the hardware store for $3-$4. No one in their right mind was going to lay out a month's wages for a tax stamp to get (or keep) one.

Mike


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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199719
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in 1934 200 dollars was more like 2 months wages


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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199755
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In 1934 I doubt very many people owned an auto like thompsons 45 or brownings 06. Some people did though. Some also owned suppressors. I very seriously doubt if everyone that owned one either tossed it in a creek or paid the 200 dollar fine. Since they were 100% unregistered and untraceable I can't help but wonder how many are still out there. Has to be several thousand unlicensed unregistered automatic rifles and pistols.
Its a wonder any of us are still alive to talk about it with so many evil hidden guns in America.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199784
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I’m pretty much in a perpetual state of waiting for some NFA item or another. The last SBR Form 4 I did on a trust took 15 months to be approved. I’m currently on month 2 of another SBR Form 4 on my trust. Seems like the individual form 4 are right around 8 or 9 month wait while the trusts are around a year.

By the way your NFA items do not get destroyed when you die if they’re owned by an individual. They can be transferred to your heirs tax free on an ATF Form 5 (5320.5).

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Re: Suppressors and the waiting game... [Re: H5Farm] #6199794
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