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Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: Jasonj] #6206328 04/02/18 10:33 PM 04/02/18 10:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2016 MB J Jurassic Park trapper
Jurassic Park trapper J Joined: Sep 2016 MB	Originally Posted By: fishermann222 Originally Posted By: Jasonj lol If you use a 330 Belisle for muskrat you must be a master at sewing LOL yep my thoughts exactly. Jurassic just so you know, we use them for wolverines and have caught many, without issue, until this new batch of 18 traps. purchased this fall. And while you can catch lynx in a 330, it is certainly not how we target lynx, I guess maybe that is what the Canadian BMP's tell you the 330 is for? Originally Posted By: Jasonj And I would suggest you read his post where he said IT’S MADE for muskrat. There’s a huge difference between catching incidental muskrats in a 330 vs targeting muskrats in them. I can assure you if I caught 500 rats using only belisle 330 there would be one heck of a mess. That’s why I use 1.5 coil and 110 Conibear. Doesn’t matter what you use a Belisle 330 for. The trap manufacturer makes this trap for muskrat, beaver, and lynx. If you want to use it for wolverines and wolves and not muskrats that’s your choice. Imagine taking your bass fishing boat and gear to the ocean to fish for tuna, then complain about your line and rod snapping, boat capsizing, and you almost drowning. Then blame it on the quality of the gear you were using. Cold as ice! Clique non-member

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206401 04/03/18 12:32 AM 04/03/18 12:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Alaska A Akmike84 trapper
Akmike84 trapper A Joined: Nov 2009 Alaska	Huh, if they are making the 330's for rats, what the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) are the smaller traps for? Just curious...

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206402 04/03/18 12:32 AM 04/03/18 12:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Alaska A Akmike84 trapper
Akmike84 trapper A Joined: Nov 2009 Alaska	Apparently there are a lot of words unacceptable on here. LOL

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206436 04/03/18 02:01 AM 04/03/18 02:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Bethel, Alaska fishermann222 OP "OX"
fishermann222 OP "OX" Joined: Dec 2006 Bethel, Alaska	Jurassic, what is your experience catching wolves and wolverines, just curious. I survived the Tman crash of '06

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206446 04/03/18 03:04 AM 04/03/18 03:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Homer, Alaska Family Trapper trapper
Family Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Homer, Alaska	Fish to heck with those Wolverines! Don't you know your suppose to start targeting Muskrats!! Read between the lines. I am once at a loss for words!!

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206514 04/03/18 07:03 AM 04/03/18 07:03 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario G gibb trapper
gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	The odd incidental catch is always going to happen, it is in the nature of are business, with the magnum style 3rd generation rotating jaw traps it happens more often simple because the traps are tighter closing, with less change of a pull-out. Bent jaws happen but if it is a major issue I would contact the manufacturer and enquirer. They may have had a bad batch of steel. A lot more of that nowadays with cheap off-shore importing. http://belisletrap.com/en/

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206706 04/03/18 11:28 AM 04/03/18 11:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2016 MB J Jurassic Park trapper
Jurassic Park trapper J Joined: Sep 2016 MB	Originally Posted By: fishermann222 Jurassic, what is your experience catching wolves and wolverines, just curious. I usually catch one wolf a year and never tried catching a wolverine since there’s no season for them where I trap. If I did have a wolverine season and a population of them I would use a belisle 330 to try catching one, but I definitely would not complain about the jaws bending if they did. I’ve used a butter knife as a screw driver before, but I didn’t ever complained about the efficiency or quality of it. Cold as ice! Clique non-member

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: Akmike84] #6206721 04/03/18 12:01 PM 04/03/18 12:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted By: Akmike84 Huh, if they are making the 330's for rats, what the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) are the smaller traps for? Just curious... Voles and shrews. Who is John Galt?

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: Jurassic Park] #6206781 04/03/18 01:03 PM 04/03/18 01:03 PM
Joined: May 2010 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Alaska	Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park Originally Posted By: fishermann222 Jurassic, what is your experience catching wolves and wolverines, just curious. I usually catch one wolf a year and never tried catching a wolverine since there’s no season for them where I trap. If I did have a wolverine season and a population of them I would use a belisle 330 to try catching one, but I definitely would not complain about the jaws bending if they did. I’ve used a butter knife as a screw driver before, but I didn’t ever complained about the efficiency or quality of it. Even if the older model jaws did not bend and the newer ones might be junky? You would still not wonder if something had changed? you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206933 04/03/18 03:42 PM 04/03/18 03:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2016 Yukon Kuskokwim Delta AK Binthewoods trapper
Binthewoods trapper Joined: Jan 2016 Yukon Kuskokwim Delta AK	I would still complain if they are bending when they didn't in the past since that seems to be giving wolverines the wiggle room to pull free from the traps without killing it. Just like the fox I caught that I mentioned earlier. It should have died almost immediately, but didn't, probably because the jaws bent around its head. I saw a video from a buddy this year of a wolverine caught perfectly with a belisle they bought last year. Rather than quickly killing the wolverine it fought the trap and eventually twisted free. If the metal is also softer you have to wonder if the springs are weaker now. Something is not right. I guess the belisle 330 is a muskrat trap nowadays. They should have told us! How dare they!

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6206970 04/03/18 04:07 PM 04/03/18 04:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	The jaws always bent on the belisles.I used about 3 dozen of them doing nuisance work on the railway.After a month or so and a couple hundred beaver, the jaws were all bent enough to require on the job repairs with a spike maul. Last edited by Boco; 04/03/18 04:10 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: Binthewoods] #6207119 04/03/18 06:39 PM 04/03/18 06:39 PM
Joined: Sep 2016 MB J Jurassic Park trapper
Jurassic Park trapper J Joined: Sep 2016 MB	Originally Posted By: Binthewoods I would still complain if they are bending when they didn't in the past since that seems to be giving wolverines the wiggle room to pull free from the traps without killing it. Just like the fox I caught that I mentioned earlier. It should have died almost immediately, but didn't, probably because the jaws bent around its head. I saw a video from a buddy this year of a wolverine caught perfectly with a belisle they bought last year. Rather than quickly killing the wolverine it fought the trap and eventually twisted free. If the metal is also softer you have to wonder if the springs are weaker now. Something is not right. I guess the belisle 330 is a muskrat trap nowadays. They should have told us! How dare they! Can’t fix stupid! Cold as ice! Clique non-member

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: Jurassic Park] #6207128 04/03/18 06:47 PM 04/03/18 06:47 PM
Joined: May 2010 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Alaska	Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park Can’t fix stupid! The consensus is….you're right! you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6207872 04/04/18 10:10 AM 04/04/18 10:10 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon Y yukon254 trapper
yukon254 trapper Y Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon	I agree with Boco the Belisle 330s have always been weak. I've caught a lot of wolverine in them and they almost always need to be straightened. At least they don't break like the Saveguea though. do unto others as you would have them do unto you www.grizzlycreeklodge.com

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: yukon254] #6208044 04/04/18 01:23 PM 04/04/18 01:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario G gibb trapper
gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	Originally Posted By: yukon254 I agree with Boco the Belisle 330s have always been weak. I've caught a lot of wolverine in them and they almost always need to be straightened. At least they don't break like the Saveguea though. You need to get out more often Dave, Belisle has a long history of broken springs, deflective triggers and traps not bend properly. When you buy a new box of Belisle traps it has a warranty slip inside telling you 1 year or no warranty if abused,

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6208218 04/04/18 05:23 PM 04/04/18 05:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon Y yukon254 trapper
yukon254 trapper Y Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon	Get out where Jim?? Ontario maybe??? Not interested. I've never had a Belisle break a spring ever...or a frame for that matter, and I bet I've used them as long as you have, maybe longer. Bent jaws are common on the 330s but would rather see that than have them break like the Savegueas have been doing. do unto others as you would have them do unto you www.grizzlycreeklodge.com

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6208238 04/04/18 05:48 PM 04/04/18 05:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Jim's a die hard sauvageau guy,lol.I have never had a broken spring on a belisle,but had a couple broken springs on a couple 280 ldl's set under ice one time only about 10 years ago.When I pulled the traps both springs were broke on each of 2 traps right at the jaw eye bend.Guy gave me 2 new traps.I heard Belisle,Sauvageau and LDL all use the same spring steel,but form them to their own standards. Last edited by Boco; 04/04/18 05:49 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6208261 04/04/18 06:19 PM 04/04/18 06:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario G gibb trapper
gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	I have a lot of traps, not just Sauvageau, I do like them for beaver trapping. But unlike you Dave I am not a dog with a bone. My 220 are Belisle My 160 are Belisle Most of my marten traps are Sauvageau Most of my beaver traps are Sauvageau Have some coil springs Dukes for muskrats I always find it interesting how you take a thread about Belisle and knock Sauvageau!! I like to use traps that work. Not a fan of the LDL but the guys like them, so it is what it is. Your starting to remind of Dirt lol.

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6208305 04/04/18 07:11 PM 04/04/18 07:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon Y yukon254 trapper
yukon254 trapper Y Joined: Dec 2008 Yukon	I really don't care who I remind you of Jim. All I did was agree with Boco. I like Saveguea traps for the most part, especially the bigger ones, but don't like it when they break for no reason and I've had more Saveguea traps break than any other brand,all marten traps in my case but I know of at least one that broke on a wolverine this year,right at the hinge just like mine have. You need to get out on the trapline more instead of spending so much time in Toronto.. do unto others as you would have them do unto you www.grizzlycreeklodge.com

Re: New Belisle 330's problems. [Re: fishermann222] #6208314 04/04/18 07:20 PM 04/04/18 07:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario G gibb trapper
gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	I did that Dave, bought a new machine 2018 Skandic WT 900 thanks for the concern, I do my best to avoid Toronto, but a man gotta do what a man gotta do. P.S. Dave it's spelled Sauvageau

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