Re: Illegal teacher strike
[Re: AntiGov]
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Ok teachers ranked 47th in salary but 34th in purchasing power, their salary corrected for cost of living. Someone is always going to be below the average and 34th of 50 is not terrible, but not great for them either.
Teachers typically have great benefits which include a generous state funded pension, adjusted for cost of living. That's something most folks in the private sector don't have. Even if you are lucky enough to get a pension, it is a fixed amount so its value decreases as the years go by. The benefits and hours worked in a year must be factored into the whole compensation package when comparing teachers to other professions. I don't know of any professional (non-hourly worker) where a 40 hr week is standard. As an engineer I typically worked 50 hrs/wk for my base salary.
Teachers must be college grads so they have that investment, as do many professionals. What is different for teachers is that many states forgive college loans after so many years of teaching.
I not saying teachers don't deserve more, I don't know. What I do know is that they have not made an adequate case considering the points above to convince me they deserve more.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Got love some of you people on this site... If you don't like your job or think your not paid enough do something else you say..walk out, don't do the job. stand up for your self... Unless your a teacher or someone I think is paid to much already. Then your a cry baby should be fired.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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They were 47 th in salary among the US teachers . Hadn't had a raise in 10 years. PLUS they are needed books and up grades to the schools. But here is a thought instead of building new sport facilities how about new books !!!! Yep . Again , many of you are missing the mark here. Want a raise ? Who doesn't. But many of these same teachers were very vocal critics of district consolidation which would've freed up lots of cash for raises. Cry me a river.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Oklahoma gas prices too high ? Thank a teacher . A gas tax increase is one of the ways they're paying for this bill.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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The idea of state and federally funded schools HAS to be kept around solely for the sake of tradition. Anyone with half a brain knows that most every tentacle that government uses to grope different aspects of our lives leaves behind a patch of rot. Education, like healthcare, is WAY way WAY too important to leave to rot by continued government administration.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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LOL How many of you guys said "they need to do something else if it is not enough money" when the teamsters strike, the Iron workers ,ect. Heck according to you guys if ANYONE strikes for ANYTHING they should just walk away and do something else. BOY OH BOY you bunch of hypocrites!!!!! You got the rights to pee and moan about "your" rights (" nobody going to take my AR") to speak your mind but because a teacher has sat quiet so many years and finally spoke out they should be ashamed. The freedom of speech and right to assembly is right their along the right to bear arms.
Plus until you walk in their foot steps how about a little understanding and compassion.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Teachers should research potential pay before becoming one, then decide if the pay is enough. Not become one and then go on strike cause they don't make enough. This is true...........but not the reason for the walk out. They've not had a raise in a decade, entry pay is so low that teacher positions go unfilled. So classes of 15 become classes of 30, or are taught by long term subs with an emergency certification. Meanwhile, legislators vote themselves a raise every year, and our Governor will retire next year making $30K more per year after retirement than per year while she is in office.....that's not sitting very well.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Oklahoma gas prices too high ? Thank a teacher . A gas tax increase is one of the ways they're paying for this bill. Nope thank your legislators.......the money is there, and has been. Ask the the OK Dept of Health about their money, and any other OK dept about waste and mismanaged funds. We don't burn gas anyway, we burn diesel, which got a higher tax than the gas. Your legislators cut production tax during an oil boom from 7% to 2%. They are idiots.
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Oklahoma gas prices too high ? Thank a teacher . A gas tax increase is one of the ways they're paying for this bill. Nope thank your legislators.......the money is there, and has been. Ask the the OK Dept of Health about their money, and any other OK dept about waste and mismanaged funds. We don't burn gas anyway, we burn diesel, which got a higher tax than the gas. Your legislators cut production tax during an oil boom from 7% to 2%. They are idiots. Old news , my brother. Okie law makers have been a soup sandwich long as I can remember. But they aren't calling for audits are they ?
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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Now is not the time to strike when they should be teaching the kids.One protester stated he made a base salary of 44,000 per year. Not bad for 9 to 10 months work.More then most of our military makes for 24/7 365 days of work. I understand about getting more benefits, but you still have over two months of doing nothing and still have the time to pick up part time work. I work full time and operate two part time business.So no excuses.If they don't want to work, then I believe they can go work a minimum wage job.Plus I'm sure there is a lot teacher subs who can use the work. Sarge I have to firmly disagree with you there Sarge. My wife's a teacher (not in the state with the protests going on) and most people think they only work 9-10 months/year and the school pays for most/all of their classroom supplies. Last year we put easily over $500 just into supplies and books for the largely unappreciative school kids and, at least around here, most teachers are busy during the summer months maintaining education credits and preparing for the upcoming school year. Sure, during the summer there is more free time, but teachers don't get to just dust off their hands at the end of the school year and have nothing to do over the summer until school starts back up. Teachers are some of the hardest working folks I know, especially considering all the crap they have to deal with from the kids and the kids' parents. In my opinion, teachers ARE hugely underpaid and I didn't come to appreciate how poorly until my wife got into the profession. For all the crap they have to deal with these days, and for teaching and mentoring the youth, they get paid diddly squat compared to MANY other professions, and most of those other professions don't have near the impact on the kids as they grow up. Where would anyone be without a decent education these days?
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Re: Illegal teacher strike
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DB, are you guys able to write off the supply purchases ? Always wondered that .
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