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Chemical attack in Syria #6211847
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I think we're being played by the ones we're backing.

Think about it. We were staying (fairly) neutral until the first attack which we blamed on Russia and Assad so we got more involved.

Now we are hinting we are ready to leave, and bingo, just happens to be another attack to keep us there.

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And the media is coloring Russia as the boogie man again.

Pretty quick to point the finger again when it makes no sense for them to have done it, but does make sense for the ones we're backing?

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I advocate leaving Syria immediately and letting Russia deal with it. Their foreign policy isn't nearly has schizophrenic as ours. One would think with 600 BILLION dollar defense budget we could be happy to stay at home and roll around in the cash pile.

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I agree with ya Finn.
There's someone who wants us to fight with Russia for some reason.

Not hard to figure out that's the reason this attack happened, but to watch the propaganda on tv would have you believe otherwise.

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I claimed at the time the first chemical attack, it done by the rebels we're backing to get us more involved.
This attack as soon as we started talking about pulling out just reinforces that claim.

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Agree completely. It burns me deeply to know our federal government gives automatic weapons and destructive device's to these 'moderate rebels'.

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Past out stingers and see who want's to fly over the rebels then! whistle


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Re: Chemical attack in Syria [Re: hippie] #6211900
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Given Putin is resurrecting the cold war and Romney was right, it is a dangerous game to play allowing the Russians and Iran free reign in that region. Lets not forget it was inaction by Obama that unleashed the refugee invasion of Europe and Jordan. Jordan is a stable nation with reasonable leaders, for now. They are being inundated with Syrian refugees on top of the Palestinians, Iraqis and others that are in camps there. Already nearly a million which we pay millions of $s to maintain.

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories about rebels gassing their own. We know exactly where and when every plane that flies in the region as we maintain 24hr AWACS coverage. As anyone who was on the ground there knows Saddam did have WMDs and used them. It is also clear that they were sent to Syria before the Bush II invasion.


Having fought this same extended war starting 26 years ago, I like the way Trump has dealt with ISIS, the Russians in Syria and Iran. Small but effective numbers on the ground, airpower and sea launched missiles rather than bases and nation building. The point is to defeat the enemy and let others know we are serious. This is exactly why NK has backed down to extent they have. Iran can not be given any signals that would encourage them to continue with their regional domination agenda.

It is FAR better to fight a smart, effective war in the desert than anyplace in the west. Hiding our heads in the sand will only end in an Islamic world that our grand kids will have to deal with. Never forget that Putin, the Iran, NK, Hezbollah, Pakistan and the Yemenis are all in cahoots in an unholy coalition that if left unchecked will become very dangerous to us economically, through terrorists and with military capabilities.

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Our countries' current batch of political leaders are incapable of fighting a smart effective war in the desert. That is plainly witnessed with even the limited amount of information citizens are fed. Our military is, of course, more than capable. However, when they are hamstrung it makes no difference. Therefore it is best for our country to get out now.

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Originally Posted By: KC135A
Given Putin is resurrecting the cold war and Romney was right, it is a dangerous game to play allowing the Russians and Iran free reign in that region. Lets not forget it was inaction by Obama that unleashed the refugee invasion of Europe and Jordan. Jordan is a stable nation with reasonable leaders, for now. They are being inundated with Syrian refugees on top of the Palestinians, Iraqis and others that are in camps there. Already nearly a million which we pay millions of $s to maintain.

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories about rebels gassing their own. We know exactly where and when every plane that flies in the region as we maintain 24hr AWACS coverage. As anyone who was on the ground there knows Saddam did have WMDs and used them. It is also clear that they were sent to Syria before the Bush II invasion.


Having fought this same extended war starting 26 years ago, I like the way Trump has dealt with ISIS, the Russians in Syria and Iran. Small but effective numbers on the ground, airpower and sea launched missiles rather than bases and nation building. The point is to defeat the enemy and let others know we are serious. This is exactly why NK has backed down to extent they have. Iran can not be given any signals that would encourage them to continue with their regional domination agenda.

It is FAR better to fight a smart, effective war in the desert than anyplace in the west. Hiding our heads in the sand will only end in an Islamic world that our grand kids will have to deal with. Never forget that Putin, the Iran, NK, Hezbollah, Pakistan and the Yemenis are all in cahoots in an unholy coalition that if left unchecked will become very dangerous to us economically, through terrorists and with military capabilities.


I'm tryinmg to follow your logic.

Russia and Iran want the area, so instead of letting us leave, they gas people to keep us there?

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Do you not support the Kurds in their fight against Turkey, ISIS and Iran? I rank them up there with any allied force we have fought with. There are times to fight and there are times to not get involved. There is also an effective way to fight and stupid ways to fight. The later includes nation building. I prefer to help our friends but leave it to them to figure out how they want to govern themselves. This is exactly why going after Gaddafi AFTER he gave up his WMD was utterly stupid. The other glaring stupid move was to disband the Iraqi security forces after we took Baghdad. Had Bush/Rumsfeld simply allowed another Baathist to assume control of Iraq after Saddam none of this would be going on now. We had three Baathist generals that would have fit the bill and understood the consequences of misbehavior. Win and get out leaving the locals to govern themselves.

The problem with the region is that nothing is simple. Turkey bombs the Kurds and ISIS, yet we have bases in Turkey. We support the Kurds and they help up us against ISIS and Iran. We kill ISIS, Syrians and Russians. Israel bombs Syria and anyone else that decides to try to go nuclear in the region. Jordan bombs Syria and takes a huge number of refugees in that would otherwise end up in Europe or the US. The Saudis now work with Israel against Iran. At the bottom of this is Iran and the 1.7 billion in cash that was flown into Tehran two years ago. And like it or not we must maintain a balancing act or we surrender to Islam and watch the global economy go into a depression.

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Originally Posted By: hippie
Originally Posted By: KC135A
Given Putin is resurrecting the cold war and Romney was right, it is a dangerous game to play allowing the Russians and Iran free reign in that region. Lets not forget it was inaction by Obama that unleashed the refugee invasion of Europe and Jordan. Jordan is a stable nation with reasonable leaders, for now. They are being inundated with Syrian refugees on top of the Palestinians, Iraqis and others that are in camps there. Already nearly a million which we pay millions of $s to maintain.

I don't buy into the conspiracy theories about rebels gassing their own. We know exactly where and when every plane that flies in the region as we maintain 24hr AWACS coverage. As anyone who was on the ground there knows Saddam did have WMDs and used them. It is also clear that they were sent to Syria before the Bush II invasion.


Having fought this same extended war starting 26 years ago, I like the way Trump has dealt with ISIS, the Russians in Syria and Iran. Small but effective numbers on the ground, airpower and sea launched missiles rather than bases and nation building. The point is to defeat the enemy and let others know we are serious. This is exactly why NK has backed down to extent they have. Iran can not be given any signals that would encourage them to continue with their regional domination agenda.

It is FAR better to fight a smart, effective war in the desert than anyplace in the west. Hiding our heads in the sand will only end in an Islamic world that our grand kids will have to deal with. Never forget that Putin, the Iran, NK, Hezbollah, Pakistan and the Yemenis are all in cahoots in an unholy coalition that if left unchecked will become very dangerous to us economically, through terrorists and with military capabilities.


I'm tryinmg to follow your logic.

Russia and Iran want the area, so instead of letting us leave, they gas people to keep us there?


Nope. Not what I said at all.

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So who gassed them?
Ya called my idea a conspiracy theory.

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Russia has a naval concern in the Syrian city of Tartus. It is their only naval concern in the Mediterranean. In fact, it is their only naval base outside russia. Imagine that. How many overseas Naval bases does the U.S. have? What would our response be if a foriegn country was destabilizing the host nation of our naval concern? Russia will not abandon that without a fight. The U.S. has no concern in Syria. Assad may be a meany, but so what? If we quit meddling the area would settle down and the refugee issue would solve itself.

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The US does have concern in Syria and that is having Israelis 6.

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Isreal is a big boy country and can watch it's own 6 using the obscene amount of foreign aid money we pour down their rat hole.

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BO got this going and Trump will get us out...well, actually Bush jr. set the stage for this.


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Originally Posted By: hippie
And the media is coloring Russia as the boogie man again.

Pretty quick to point the finger again when it makes no sense for them to have done it, but does make sense for the ones we're backing?

Us intelligence and the Trump administration pointed that finger. You just have a hunch

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