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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/02/18 02:25 PM
05/02/18 02:25 PM
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rpmartin
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Imho, when the ground is that hard, go with rebar and long enough chain where stake pumping won't be an issue.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/02/18 02:35 PM
05/02/18 02:35 PM
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Taximan
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Like concrete man,if it requires,pounding in a pilot hole,I use a stake.Now,drilling a pilot hole is a different story.
By December,here,it gets close to impossible to drive anchors.I switch to all stakes then and in the last couple seasons,I started using a hammer drill and also a rotary hammer,which I can both drill pilot hole and chisel out trap beds.I can drill 2 pilot holes for cross staking,with little effort and can push the stakes in with my boot heel if I wanted to but no coyote can budge them.It saves a lot of wear and tear on the wrist and shoulder.That's especially helpful in rocky areas where you may drive a stake almost all the way in,several times till you finally miss all the rocks and get it down all the way.The drill can take the fight out of that and save your energy for other stuff.
I also use the drills for dirt auger work and have a 20V leaf blower that uses the same batteries,for blowing snow off sets,blending in or blowing out my traps.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: concrete man]
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05/02/18 02:57 PM
05/02/18 02:57 PM
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Here are some drivers from last season.  Thanks for your answer. I made my own driver, and it shows no wear but i don't have the soil being discussed. I do have rocks i drive past, but must not be the same.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/02/18 03:01 PM
05/02/18 03:01 PM
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PAskinner
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I like cable stakes, but not in really Rocky ground. Drags hooked into brush or re rod. Seen places where even re rod was impossible.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: concrete man]
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05/02/18 03:14 PM
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..is why I love drags. I can make 3 sets in the same time or less than making 2 sets requiring hammering in ANY stake, cable or rebar...especially cross-staking.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: Taximan]
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05/02/18 03:19 PM
05/02/18 03:19 PM
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rpmartin
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Like concrete man,if it requires,pounding in a pilot hole,I use a stake.Now,drilling a pilot hole is a different story.
By December,here,it gets close to impossible to drive anchors.I switch to all stakes then and in the last couple seasons,I started using a hammer drill and also a rotary hammer,which I can both drill pilot hole and chisel out trap beds.I can drill 2 pilot holes for cross staking,with little effort and can push the stakes in with my boot heel if I wanted to but no coyote can budge them.It saves a lot of wear and tear on the wrist and shoulder.That's especially helpful in rocky areas where you may drive a stake almost all the way in,several times till you finally miss all the rocks and get it down all the way.The drill can take the fight out of that and save your energy for other stuff.
I also use the drills for dirt auger work and have a 20V leaf blower that uses the same batteries,for blowing snow off sets,blending in or blowing out my traps. Last season some of the ground I trap was unbelievably hard, almost like frozen ground. Had to pass up places because it was too hard to chip out a trap bed. If I remember correctly you use dewalt tools? I'm thinking about a rotary hammer myself for this season. I take it you are happy with your setup? How do you use an auger bit with that bit system?
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/02/18 06:59 PM
05/02/18 06:59 PM
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Tactical.20
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The 45° angle is what lifts and separates the driver from the pipe, when you hit the side of driver handle like I explained above, no I won't drill hole for cable, the driver has to go through and stick out in front of pipe at least an inch or two
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: rpmartin]
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05/02/18 07:28 PM
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I switch to all stakes then and in the last couple seasons,I started using a hammer drill and also a rotary hammer,which I can both drill pilot hole and chisel out trap beds.
Last season some of the ground I trap was unbelievably hard, almost like frozen ground. Had to pass up places because it was too hard to chip out a trap bed. [/quote] Papio Crk Trapping Sply sells 1 of these, but I've never tried it: https://m.ebay.com/itm/6-X-3-Double-Flig...uAAAOSw0e9Uv-di
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/02/18 07:35 PM
05/02/18 07:35 PM
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Wisconsin
The Beav
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There are places where drags won't work.
The ground I trap here In WI Is stake friendly. Even In the dead of winter I have no issues driving stakes (smooth rod)
I quit using rebar and went to smooth rod this last season and will never go back to Re Bar.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
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05/02/18 08:18 PM
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rpmartin
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Last season some of the ground I trap was unbelievably hard, almost like frozen ground. Had to pass up places because it was too hard to chip out a trap bed. [/quote] Papio Crk Trapping Sply sells 1 of these, but I've never tried it: https://m.ebay.com/itm/6-X-3-Double-Flig...uAAAOSw0e9Uv-di [/quote] I really like the 2" to 3" auger. Thanks My main question is how to use these augers with a sds system on the rotary hammer. Is there some kind of an adapter to make a non sds tool work??
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
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05/03/18 01:10 AM
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[Papio Crk Trapping Sply sells 1 of these, but I've never tried it: https://m.ebay.com/itm/6-X-3-Double-Flig...uAAAOSw0e9Uv-di [/quote] I really like the 2" to 3" auger. Thanks My main question is how to use these augers with a sds system on the rotary hammer. Is there some kind of an adapter to make a non sds tool work?? [/quote] I bought two,SDS Plus,keyless chucks and have one on each of my two augers.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/03/18 03:11 AM
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rpmartin
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Ok, i see what you mean, thanks for that. After a little research I see where it says you can't use the hammer mode with the keyless chuck. How do you dig your holes?, with as big of masonry bit as you can get?
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
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05/03/18 10:24 AM
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The Beav
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I have a 2" bit In my Cordless drill. To make the trap bed I just drill a few holes close together to break up the soil. Then after I have the trap bedded I use It to bore my dirt hole. I normally carry In shifted dirt so I can just remove the hard soil and discard It. Just keep enough native soil to top dress the soil you brought In.
But In my area I hardly have to use the dill system.
Most trapper hammers that are used for making trap beds aren't built right. A angled digging blade makes it a lot harder to dig a decent bed. In hard ground you would be better off using a small hand held hatchet. Or at least a hammer that has a digging blade that Is perpendicular to the hammer head.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: cpoole]
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05/03/18 03:40 PM
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rpmartin
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I have the same system beav,it works good in normal conditions. This stuff in Texas isn't normal, it's so compacted a cat can barely scratch it. My shoulders and elbows can't hack all the extra digging. Trying to make this as easy as possible.
After looking at AJE post and link I noticed they sold an auger that starts at 2 inches and goes to 3 inches. After finding out your only supposed to use the hammer drill with the sds bits I have devised a plan. I will call Papio creek if possible and see if they can take a 18 inch sds masonry bit then make one of their augers, starting with the masonry bit then 1 inch to 2 inch then 3 inch to turn this puppy into a hammer drill/auger for dirtholes and trap beds.
Now my question is how long will a masonry bit stay sharp using it in dirt or whatever it is in Texas?
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
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05/03/18 06:27 PM
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Taximan is the expert who taught me a couple great tricks for frozen hard ground. Read his post above and learn much.
I carry a Milwaukee 18 volt hammer drill with backup batteries. I ordered a few extra long carbide masonry bits made by Bosch. They are the best. 3/8”, 1/2”, and 1”. Drill for your stakes and use rebar. Double stake. Nothing gets away.
Carry a very stout lever puller and/or a hi lift jack. Backup for if and when something decides to freeze in.
In nice weather use cheap long ship auger bits to predrill stake holes. I carry a second Milwaukee 18 volt hammer drill with an auger bit.
As Taximan says it saves weR and tear on “worn in” body parts.
When all else fails, go home and get a big tractor with a front end loader.
Best wishes.
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
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05/03/18 07:47 PM
05/03/18 07:47 PM
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Tactical.20
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I will never use a steel stake for trapping again, with our soil you can sometimes have trouble with a 30" stake on a snare, a trap would be much worse, cable end has far superior swivel action
I won't use battery power on a trap bed, 2-3 wacks with a pick ax and bed is dug
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Re: Ground too hard for earth anchors
[Re: Tactical.20]
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05/03/18 08:36 PM
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rpmartin
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I will never use a steel stake for trapping again, with our soil you can sometimes have trouble with a 30" stake on a snare, a trap would be much worse, cable end has far superior swivel action
I won't use battery power on a trap bed, 2-3 wacks with a pick ax and bed is dug Tac, you are a lucky man, you should go with to Texas one of these years and work ground that's not nice.
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