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Food lure ingredients #6260693
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What are your guys four favorite food lure ingredients for coyotes. This is not your favorite food base ingredient. Professional lure makers are more than welcome to share their thoughts too☺️. If you would rather pm me feel free. I'm just learning and I'm trying to narrow the field of opinions down some. Thought maybe after this thread we would try gland lure ingredients so thinking on this too. Thank you ahead of time for your input. If you have found an ingredient causes a specific reaction such as a biting response, digging, urination or anything else please share that too if you want.

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Re: Food lure ingredients [Re: Yes sir] #6261269
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You've asked for many paragraphs of info!

Originally Posted By: Yes sir
What are your guys four favorite food lure ingredients for coyotes. This is not your favorite food base ingredient.


^^^^^This doesn't quite make sense.

Lure is typically gland materials/essential oils

Bait is food ...you have food and lure together.

Can you clarify?


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Re: Food lure ingredients [Re: Yes sir] #6261305
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I asked for your 4 favorite food lure secondary ingredients, if it takes you many paragraphs to answer I'm truly sorry for wasting your time reading it and replying. To confirm my thinking I looked at three well know lure makers websites and all three had lures described as food base lures. If I have to clarify what a food based lure is to you neither one of us can probably help each other but thanks for responding. If I misunderstood your confusion I apologise

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The base for my Mississippi Special, which is a food lure, is the liquid leavings after bottling Beaver Meat Medley bait. This liquid has leached out of the aged beaver meat over the period of years. It's very attractive by itself, but it is even more so with the addition of other ingredients.

You ought not berate experienced lure makers when they're trying to ascertain exactly what you're looking for.

That's one, and probably the only one I'll give you.



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I have several food based coyote lures. Mostly meat bases but not all. Like Paul said I will give you one. Horse meat. There are a hundred different ways to take it from there. When I first experimented with it I wasn't old enough to shave. Now I'm gray and still experimenting. All it takes is time and money.

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Originally Posted By: Yes sir
What are your guys four favorite food lure ingredients


If I were you I would take a look at a canines diet in the wild. Proteins, fats and carbs are three main ingredients that they NEED at different times of the year give or take. Some might only use ingredients that are food based, think outside of the box.


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If you were going to pick one food that coyote eat 365 days a year it would be mice. Even if there feeding on watermelon there still pouncing on mihce if one runs out in front of him. But that dosent mean a mouse bait will shine right then in the watermelon field. A Lot of it depends on if his belly is full or not. More coyote are caught on a food lure out of curiosity more so than hunger. Imo. Unless its below zero and the prey species is non existent they tend to stay well fed.

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Coyotes are opportunists. They eat what ever is available at the time. When the berries are ripe than its berries. Berries are also being fed on by rodents and birds. The idea that coyote don't eat meat when the berry's are ripe is ridiculous. More than once I've caught coyote with raspberry seeds and grouse feathers in their scat.

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Eggs processed in several ways make an excellent food lure, bait or ingredient. Knowing how you want to approach using them is up to your intended formula result. Soooo many variables, it does require much more thought and a bit of know how then is sometimes realized.

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X2 on what Bob said. Many different ways of handling eggs. From loud/rank to mild/tangy odor. From liquid to paste. Food, curiosity, or long range call ingredient. Endless options with different responses.

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I’ve been toying with playing with grasshoppers for late summer early fall control work.

From about late July to early September in my country, grasshoppers and fruit are serious food sources.

When the coyotes are on hoppers, my mouse based products really shine. By December, they want red meat and lots of it.


If a coyote will eat it, and they’ll eat ANYTHING, it can be used for bait.

That being said, some things are easier to work with than others. I’ve been experimenting with beef afterbirth for a few years and finally abandoned it. Just to hard to work with and extremely unpredictable.

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I agree Boone. After birth is hard to use consistently. Rotted completely to a liquid is about it. X2 on the cow after birth. Mare after birth is a different story. Downside to mare after birth is availability. I played with grass hoppers a couple of times. Nothing developed and lost interest fast. I like good gland lure and snares during that period of time.

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“Rotted completely to a liquid is about it”.

Pretty much sums it up Andy! Lol

The only way I could keep it solid was to preserve FRESH. Any amount of taint and it would turn to liquid in a few months no matter how much preservatives were added. And I was using ridiculous amounts.

A real bugger to grind that slimy stuff too!

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The part I hate most about after birth is getting it cleaned up. The stuff would make great glue.

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imho any spieces of after birth draws yotes even dog placentas. I firmly believe its the high consentration of colostrome that remains in the sac.


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I imagine your right Tony. I've only played with beef and horse. Horse trumps beef 10-1. Probably has a Lot to do with numbers of cows in the country being trapped. Here we have upward of 10,000 calves born in the spring and afterbirth gets ate up pretty quick. Its kind of like hot dogs and ribeyes in human terms. Very few horse after birth and kind of a treat for them in both taste and curiosity.

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ive had very limited exsposure with it only fresh stuff. but what I have used was astounding I have tried the imitation colostrome mixed with fresh meats. Not so promising I know as a teen ager sheep after birth was deadly on foxs. I've still got unpasteurized butter milk on my try out list


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I will say anything from a lamb I like. We don't have many sheep in the valley anymore and haven't gone out of my way to grab any. Let me know how the butter milk works out. I do like dairy products and especially in warmer weather.

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Originally Posted By: Yes sir
If I misunderstood your confusion I apologise



you did, and "secondary" was not in your OP, but would have helped, no doubt.

Even Andy put Horsemeat, which would be a primary....so fuss at him a bit too.


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O I see now. Not base ingredients. So you want all the little side effect odors? Um, well I'm not sure I want to give that up so easy. No offense. Castor and oil sack I guess would be safe to say. There are dozens of enhancers to play with. Some are compatible with meat bases and some not so much.

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