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Canada Goose Accountability #6271934
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So, I saw the NTA president's report mentioned here the other day, and finally got our magazine and read it. It's a fairly long article, and although Chris and I usually don't see eye to eye, I agree with him 100% on this issue.

Basically, most of you have probably heard mentioned on here before about Canada Goose and their accountability labeling. Due to pressure from the antis, they want to be able to say that their fur was humanely caught.

Now, it appears their plan is to send a representative from Canada Goose to every state that allows them to, and go on the line with 5 trappers from that state, to see if the fur is being humanely caught. If it is, the representative will then certify that state as being a humane state, and that state's trapper's association will be given "humane fur" tags to distribute however they want to the association members, who can then use the tags to tag their furs before selling. Idea being, humane fur will bring a higher price on the auctions, and from the other buyers, than untagged, "inhumane" fur.

The NTA president's stance appears to be against this plan, as I would have thought everyone would be. I mean, what could possibly go wrong here?

Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271940
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They wont have to do that here,we have been harvesting with Traps that comply to the international certified humane standards for 20 years or so.We were the first country to do so under the international agreement and were instrumental in developing the humane traps and standards that we are so proud of here.
One of our early OTA presidents,the great Alcide Giroux who passed away recently and an Icon in Canadian fur trapping circles actually kick started the The Humane trapping movement in Canada and supplied seed money to the FIC to leverage money from the governments to get the state of the art trap testing facility in Vegreville Alberta up and running.This facility is responsible for the majority of great certified killing traps that trappers have in their hands today.

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Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271947
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Sounds like they know our states will tell them to pound sand, so they're going to follow a couple hand picked trappers to certify a whole state. Interesting

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Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271951
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And then use that "certification" to pressure the state into making their preferred methods required. Just the next step in NAFA's "certified trapper" program.


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Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271952
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What happens if they see the same stuff that's on utube,lol.

Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: Boco] #6271954
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Originally Posted By: Boco
They wont have to do that here,we have been harvesting with Traps that comply to the international certified humane standards for 20 years or so.We were the first country to do so under the international agreement and were instrumental in developing the humane traps and standards that we are so proud of here.
One of our early OTA presidents,the great Alcide Giroux who passed away recently and an Icon in Canadian fur trapping circles actually kick started the The Humane trapping movement in Canada and supplied seed money to the FIC to leverage money from the governments to get the state of the art trap testing facility in Vegreville Alberta up and running.This facility is responsible for the majority of great certified killing traps that trappers have in their hands today.


Yes, Boco, I'm aware that Canada bowed down to the EU long ago.

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I wouldn't be too happy Boco. They might see our 24hr check laws as agood thing or our cable restraints as better than snares and come after some of your methods.

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No we were well ahead of the EU.We started humane trapping before the EU thought they could shut down trapping.Little did they know we were way ahead and had traps that far exceeded what they thought no one could achieve.
Alcide was a visionary.A great man.

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Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271972
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Is it unreasonable to keep an end-user customer happy? The one hot fur in North America is coyotes largely because of this customer.

Looking at the bigger picture, traps in the US have done little to get ahead of the PR problems that have ended trapping in several states. The gameplan has always been reactive, which is too late.

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Just how long do you think you can keep snares as "non-comercial" Boco? You better get your head out of the sand because the antis are not satisfied. Their objective was to stop trapping period, they didn't give a rats behind about "humane". A seeing eye dog is inhumane to these nuts.

Re: Canada Goose Accountability [Re: yotetrapper30] #6271977
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No boco Canada and Russia threw the U.S.A under the bus on that deal, but re write history how you want.

Hopefully Canada Goose won't be able to find any coyotes for their over priced junk they sell to yuppie's!

But im sure many states will cave to their demands so down another slippery slope we go.


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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
Is it unreasonable to keep an end-user customer happy? The one hot fur in North America is coyotes largely because of this customer.

Looking at the bigger picture, traps in the US have done little to get ahead of the PR problems that have ended trapping in several states. The gameplan has always been reactive, which is too late.


I think it IS unreasonable to keep ONE customer happy if they can dictate your entire method of operation. Camel, nose, tent.


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So let me see if I get this correct. Some anti trappers are going to follow some trappers around from different states and then if all is ok they will certified them as a humane trapping state!
Personally I can do that myself. I don't need to give an anti the so called authority to give me permission to do what I know is humane and biologically sound.
Who comes up with the stupid stuff anyway?

And as far as the trapping BMPs, they are good information on trapping. We spent a lot of good money to work on BMPs so the dang EU would buy our fur. Well that was money well spent.
In the words of the famous and Southern icon, Earl Pitts, "WAKE UP AMERICA"

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Originally Posted By: white17
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Is it unreasonable to keep an end-user customer happy? The one hot fur in North America is coyotes largely because of this customer.

Looking at the bigger picture, traps in the US have done little to get ahead of the PR problems that have ended trapping in several states. The gameplan has always been reactive, which is too late.


I think it IS unreasonable to keep ONE customer happy if they can dictate your entire method of operation. Camel, nose, tent.



Except they are not dictating anything other than their own buying preferences. And they have significantly expanded the end user market in North America.

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Originally Posted By: pass-thru


Except they are not dictating anything other than their own buying preferences. And they have significantly expanded the end user market in North America.


Well that is the question though. Although they have said they don't want to force any one to change any laws... their mission statement on their website says otherwise. It states they will only use fur that was caught using AIHTS or BMP methods. No states mandate BMPs currently.

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Snares are an extremely humane device,except those set by untrained wahoos.(like any trapping device)
A ram snare or one with a kill spring set properly will kill quicker than a 330.
A snare can also be constructed and set to humanely hold an animal alive so long as check times are not too long.
J trap nobody threw the americans under any bus,you negotiated a separate agreement on your own.Trump can get you out of it if you don't like it,hes good at not living up to international agreements.

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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper30
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Except they are not dictating anything other than their own buying preferences. And they have significantly expanded the end user market in North America.


Well that is the question though. Although they have said they don't want to force any one to change any laws... their mission statement on their website says otherwise. It states they will only use fur that was caught using AIHTS or BMP methods. No states mandate BMPs currently.

And now we're back to White's comment to mine at the begining.

Who knows what laws this company might decide is "humane" to them, and what laws they may try to push. Maybe even on the unsuspecting Boco.

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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
[quote=white17][quote=pass-thru]Is it unreasonable to keep an end-user customer happy? The one hot fur in North America is coyotes largely because of this customer.

Looking at the bigger picture, traps in the US have done little to get ahead of the PR problems that have ended trapping in several states. The gameplan has always been reactive, which is too late.

Except they are not dictating anything other than their own buying preferences. And they have significantly expanded the end user market in North America.


You are right there. But once they are seen as having the ability to say AYE or NAY to a state...they will also have the ability to set prices. Once they become the sole or preferred buyer, then they can control prices.


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You convinced me Boco. How about the bunny huggers? They think they're inhumane. They are the ones that you have to convince. Good luck.

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