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#6272038 - 07/03/18 08:24 PM Rats
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Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 1014
Loc: West Michigan
I have a daughter that lives in Depew N.Y. she is starting to see Rats around and they are digging holes. They are moving out of the city. She is a very clean person. No trash, food left out, garbage in trash cans etc. I showed her husband how to make a weasel box with a rat trap inside. I also sent a real coni-bear trap home with them. What is the go to bait for rat's? Only seen rats at the dump when we where young, shot a lot of them.
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#6272053 - 07/03/18 08:36 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 14601
Loc: St. Louis Co, Mo
They have what's called "new object shyness", that means it may take a few days for them to get used to any sets you make before they approach. Peanut butter works well, especially with some corn stuck in it. If you find their runs a #1 or 1-1/2 in a flat set may work too.
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#6272238 - 07/04/18 06:56 AM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 10/19/14
Posts: 1280
Loc: Mass
Originally Posted By: Getting There
What is the go to bait for rat's?


We use our own rodent bait. A good bait should last weeks to a month on a trap without re baiting unless the pan was licked clean. I bait the traps and use on multiple jobs without re-baiting them. As far as coni bears for rats, JMO you're wasting your time. Snap traps with an effective bait, and when boxes are needed. Simple modified weasel/rat box that could be wood, plastic or cardboard is all that is needed to do a rat job. Two to three dozen traps at a whack will knock'em down in a hurry if you suspect you have a colony. Snap traps bedded up to the base of the trap or placed along a structure will do a number as well. If they are unsure on location for traps ALWAYS USE BAIT it will better your chances.

I own a handful of T rex/ protecta setups which my wife picked up for me. I keep a couple on the truck and as you can see do nothing but collect dust. Big or small, jmo snap traps are 100% the best traps out there for rodents. Even when I'm doing jobs in boston I use snap traps and they grow'em big out there, snap traps get it done. When it comes to traps for rodents try to keep it simple.



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When it comes to boxes if you feel you need them, they don't have to be perfect with a hole dead center or bellow center with an exact over hang yada yada. Room for the hammer to swing and that is it. The kids make my boxes and the rats have no issues entering them. Just have to read through the BS and simplify the task.
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#6274564 - 07/07/18 07:21 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
bob pake Offline
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Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 51
Loc: southern ont. canada
Trapping rats for me is a last ditch effort. It takes a good trapper with time to do the job using traps to gain control. Elimination in not likely . + your daughter or someone else will half to deal with dead stinky rats.
Rodents seem to love soy bean based rodenticide, that and a tamper resistant containers .
Elimination can be expected.
Resolve / first strike, have worked well for me in unlikely and tough situations.

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#6277955 - 07/12/18 08:02 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
I am about at 230 rats. In my area alone.

We had a neighbor who we found out horded food in his untight garage. They were about 4 doors down from us. When I started seeing evidence I tried everything....

Snap traps - 8 rats for me least effective.

Coni 110 - 13 rats I hit funnel areas

Bait stations - I would guess about 40, neighbor dogs found some, I found some, found some in the road ran over, and a few just wandering around in a daze.

Live traps double door blind sets !!! 170 or so...lost track. I would use whatever size I found here is a list

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index...ASABEgLgNfD_BwE

Caught a bunch in this smaller size

But the larger the trap the more I caught

But then I caught...skunk, birds, grinners, squirrels, and lots of rats...lots.

Then one day the neighbor was talking with us...he told us he had lots. No wonder...garage full of food...pallets worth. He had it emptied and the rats stopped. I catch a few here and there...up to 8 since the first of the year.

But I learned....blind set along buildings, fences, and any edge for them to follow.

Good luck....kill em all





Edited by On a Call (07/12/18 08:04 PM)

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#6278221 - 07/13/18 07:14 AM Re: Rats [Re: On a Call]
Getting There Offline
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Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 1014
Loc: West Michigan
Originally Posted By: On a Call
I am about at 230 rats. In my area alone.

We had a neighbor who we found out horded food in his untight garage. They were about 4 doors down from us. When I started seeing evidence I tried everything....

Snap traps - 8 rats for me least effective.

Coni 110 - 13 rats I hit funnel areas

Bait stations - I would guess about 40, neighbor dogs found some, I found some, found some in the road ran over, and a few just wandering around in a daze.

Live traps double door blind sets !!! 170 or so...lost track. I would use whatever size I found here is a list

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index...ASABEgLgNfD_BwE

Caught a bunch in this smaller size

But the larger the trap the more I caught

But then I caught...skunk, birds, grinners, squirrels, and lots of rats...lots.

Then one day the neighbor was talking with us...he told us he had lots. No wonder...garage full of food...pallets worth. He had it emptied and the rats stopped. I catch a few here and there...up to 8 since the first of the year.

But I learned....blind set along buildings, fences, and any edge for them to follow.

Good luck....kill em all




Thanks for the information.
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#6278468 - 07/13/18 06:00 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
Originally Posted By: Getting There
Originally Posted By: On a Call
I am about at 230 rats. In my area alone.

We had a neighbor who we found out horded food in his untight garage. They were about 4 doors down from us. When I started seeing evidence I tried everything....

Snap traps - 8 rats for me least effective.

Coni 110 - 13 rats I hit funnel areas

Bait stations - I would guess about 40, neighbor dogs found some, I found some, found some in the road ran over, and a few just wandering around in a daze.

Live traps double door blind sets !!! 170 or so...lost track. I would use whatever size I found here is a list

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index...ASABEgLgNfD_BwE

Caught a bunch in this smaller size

But the larger the trap the more I caught

But then I caught...skunk, birds, grinners, squirrels, and lots of rats...lots.

Then one day the neighbor was talking with us...he told us he had lots. No wonder...garage full of food...pallets worth. He had it emptied and the rats stopped. I catch a few here and there...up to 8 since the first of the year.

But I learned....blind set along buildings, fences, and any edge for them to follow.

Good luck....kill em all




Thanks for the information.


FYI...with the 110's I set them up with step pads not using the Y place a cut plastic yard sign to size and set upside down. They would walk though and snap...wish I had photos...but it worked..missed some guessing they were small ones and snapped shut infront and behind.

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#6278471 - 07/13/18 06:05 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
Originally Posted By: Getting There
I have a daughter that lives in Depew N.Y. she is starting to see Rats around and they are digging holes. They are moving out of the city. She is a very clean person. No trash, food left out, garbage in trash cans etc. I showed her husband how to make a weasel box with a rat trap inside. I also sent a real coni-bear trap home with them. What is the go to bait for rat's? Only seen rats at the dump when we where young, shot a lot of them.


You can be clean that does not matter...rats live on whatever the neighbors have laying around. Dog poo, bird seed, nut trees, and etc all that adds up. If there are squirrels in the area....they each eat the same thing as squirrels are tree rats. If she is seeing holes and not seeing chipmunks odds are she has rats.

Good luck...

Rats by the way make good bait.

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#6278482 - 07/13/18 06:28 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/04/12
Posts: 13677
Loc: central ohio
I had rabbits for a while. Then I had rats. Only caught a dozen ish. But I got them all. They dug holes under the edge of concrete of my garage and was staying in the wood pile. They seemed to pop up over night. I used 110s against concrete pad. I hid them with wood and rocks to force them through. 160s over the holes in the ground and the wood pile. I tied a string between the trigger wires.

Also figured out I had to make them a hair trigger. Scary sometimes.

Hi on a call.

I also had some week long springs that I put peanut butter on that did catch one but not real good. Had one go in a colony trap also. I put a stick holding the door open and some fishing line that they got into to pull the stick out from under the door. I tied one end shut a put a weight on the trap door. Pain in the butt. 110s


Edited by madcotrappwr (07/13/18 06:36 PM)
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#6278487 - 07/13/18 06:39 PM Re: Rats [Re: madcotrappwr]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
Originally Posted By: madcotrappwr
I had rabbits for a while. Then I had rats. Only caught a dozen ish. But I got them all. They dug holes under the edge of concrete of my garage and was staying in the wood pile. They seemed to pop up over night. I used 110s against concrete pad. I hid them with wood and rocks to force them through. 160s over the holes in the ground and the wood pile. I tied a string between the trigger wires.

Also figured out I had to make them a hair trigger. Scary sometimes.

Hi on a call.

I also had some week long springs that I put peanut butter on that did catch one but not real good. Had one go in a colony trap also. I put a stick holding the door open and some fishing line that they got into to pull the stick out from under the door. I tied one end shut a put a weight on the trap door. Pain in the butt. 110s


HI !!!

Yeah I too did the number 0 and 1 S with peanut butter that caught some on a different situation !!!

I like the idea of string...should have tried that !! And...I tried waxing the trigger...ouch many times...but it made them super light !!!

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#6278488 - 07/13/18 06:43 PM Re: Rats [Re: madcotrappwr]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
Originally Posted By: madcotrappwr
I had rabbits for a while. Then I had rats. Only caught a dozen ish. But I got them all. They dug holes under the edge of concrete of my garage and was staying in the wood pile. They seemed to pop up over night. I used 110s against concrete pad. I hid them with wood and rocks to force them through. 160s over the holes in the ground and the wood pile. I tied a string between the trigger wires.

Also figured out I had to make them a hair trigger. Scary sometimes.

Hi on a call.

I also had some week long springs that I put peanut butter on that did catch one but not real good. Had one go in a colony trap also. I put a stick holding the door open and some fishing line that they got into to pull the stick out from under the door. I tied one end shut a put a weight on the trap door. Pain in the butt. 110s


By the way...lets get together some time soon !

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#6278489 - 07/13/18 06:46 PM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 10801
Loc: S/E Mich - N/W Ohio
The thing about using double door live traps bind sets was they were always set always ready...set in a spot you can see them easy check.

But ... you have to kill them...but they do die fast with exposure in winter.

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#6278511 - 07/13/18 07:34 PM Re: Rats [Re: On a Call]
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Registered: 10/19/14
Posts: 1280
Loc: Mass
Originally Posted By: On a Call
But ... you have to kill them...but they do die fast with exposure in winter.


JMO, that is why cage trapping rats is a waste of time and $ if you're looking to knock them down in numbers, especially if they are unfamiliar with the next step. If you're relocating then a different story. I see many elaborate setups with grain and seed sprinkled near and on traps from homeowners trying to trap rats, its crazy. I tend to not over think any animal (critter) that I'm after. I just get out there, use good bait and trap placement, and it gets the job done. Rodent are by far one of the easiest things to trap, not only that but it's fun. smile To each their own
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#6278758 - 07/14/18 07:14 AM Re: Rats [Re: Getting There]
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Registered: 01/04/12
Posts: 13677
Loc: central ohio
The colony trap thing was a brainfart. Who knows how many went in and didn't trip it. I did catch them all and the best was the coni.
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#6284446 - 07/22/18 10:00 AM Re: Rats [Re: madcotrappwr]
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Registered: 10/19/14
Posts: 1280
Loc: Mass
Originally Posted By: madcotrappwr
The colony trap thing was a brainfart. Who knows how many went in and didn't trip it. I did catch them all and the best was the coni.



Don't think I'd ever waste my time with conibears for rats even if it were legal. Not practical in rodent control, very limited on trap placement. JMO, a waste of time and money. I guess, that being said the best practice is use what works for you. I've been on many jobs where rodenticide was being used by pest techs that just wasn't getting the job done. I'm not a fan of them, I know they have a place but the majority of my customers want nothing to do with it. Plus physically removing rats from traps allows you to document what's been taken out. Some prefer it but If you know how to trap them its pretty easy to do with snap traps and good bait regardless of how many.

These rats were taken on an "observation" set after a tech had convinced the property owner that the rats were gone after a two month program using rodenticide. Many vairiables are here but that is why on certain jobs I don't assume especially if you don't seal up.The traps were placed up on an outside top plate of the barn using an easy reach where you'd never get a conibear. Blocks the techs put out appeared to be undisturbed. Rain, snow or shine doesn't matter snap traps with a lil bitah bait, will do a number on rats. Oh and an FYI for rodent trapping you don't need all types of crazy baits to attract them. We use one bait for mice, shrew, voles, rats and cage work for squirrels/chipmunks.







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