The market is in the marketing. There is a world of difference between ranch fur and wild caught...such as Canada Goose embraces. Wild fur should not be shy about embracing this distinction, and that can only happen through marketing.

If we had furriers in this country highlighting wild fur it would make a difference on fur sales in this country. When I bought my wife a sheared beaver vest a few years ago, I had to hunt for it had the fur store and they were pushing ranch.

Also, the upper middle class black woman is a market with huge potential in this country. Advertise to them, make it available, and they will buy all kinds of wild fur.

I sold a bearskin hat to a Black woman once.
When she put it on it was like a time machine back to the 60's.

Good luck with that, trappers don't want any part of that nonsense.


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Oh, they want it.....just don't know how to get there from here! Trappers do what they do best, untill we get some furriers that want and know how to work and push wild fur, we're gonna be in this situation. They prefer to work with ranch crap, because it is easier. That is human nature!

Be fair! Some trappers support Certification, some oppose and some don't care. As far as the ride alongs,who knows, CG may be just looking to confirm what the anti's been saying about trapping so they can justify dropping coyote ruffs.

The one company on the face of the Earth promoting wild n.a. fur, and trappers, and the trappers overwhelming response to them?:



"POUND SAND"

ain't no western coyotes in PA last i checked.5 states does not a market make.open your eyes to the other 45 states.

As far as certification goes I think there is as much down side possible as there is upside. We already harvest fur under the rules of state and federal laws, what more do they want? Will it really increase price and volume they use, or will they see an actual harvest and be completely turn off by it even if it is completely legal and humane as possible?

Will certification stop you from buying snowmobiled or dog caught coyotes?

I was trying to keep an open mind and learn more of this, certification, the part about peta buying stock in cg made that a little difficult.
What does peta say when asked by their donors about this?

The scary part we should be concerned with is that PETA has the cash flow, liquidity and assets to invest in markets that create much more earnings and thus more funds to use to promote their cause. They are rapidly learning that the best way to win their battles is to join in our activities such as WCC attendance and being elected a county rep and by investing in consumptive use investments that create earnings and opportunity.

Bryce

The reductio ad absurdum of this is that you are letting PETA dictate your actions, and that is exactly the type of influence they were seeking when they bought the stock in the first place.

IMO both Al and CG want the same thing. They want trappers to supply all their wants and desires at unrealistic prices.

Do you have any clue how many coyotes CG buys? Take them out of the picture and the coyote market goes below production costs for the majority. When a market is below production costs it's as good as dead.

Nah, Al and the rest of the shearable beaver users are at unrealistic prices. CG's prices for the articles they want aren't bad. Not at levels that one could feed a family on but a profitable level non the less.

I am guessing that since they are only buying from one region of the country, CG is buying a very small fraction of the coyotes that are pelted.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad they are buying what they are buying. More money into the fur and trapping industries is great.

I think that the future of the fur market does not depend on CG.

You might be right,you might not be right.Maby you should go and spit in the face of a Canada Goose representative,and tell them we don't need them.Thats a great business model.

What is your definition of a "small fraction" and what areas produce the most coyotes? Don't forget they are targeting at least 3 Canadian provinces.

The future of the fur market depends on every manufacturer we can get to use our products. I don't know about you Shane but I don't like trapping fur below production costs.

I am not sure how you took away that I was advocating for spitting in CG's face from my post. I said I was glad they were buying coyotes.

They want and need those coyotes. I am no CEO but it seems like that should give the producers of those coyotes some degree of leverage.

No sir I do not like trapping in the red. It severely limits the amount of time I can spend trapping.

Like I said, I am just guessing on the percentage of coyotes that are pelted compared to how many CG are buying.

I dont't have the answers as to how to have a consistently thriving fur market. I don't pretend to. I read these threads to get more perspective. I agree with you Steven, that we need all the manufacturers we can find to use wild fur. I just think that all that we already do to produce fur in a humane and responsible fashion may not be totally appreciated by some of the manufacturers and consumers in general. If it were then maybe their would be more demand in North America for our products.

There has to be a way to use the current trend toward sustainable and environmentally sound production to market our fur. The modern trapper produces the epitome of what that movement wants.

Please explain why certification is even needed, when everything they are requesting from certification is already in place, like traceability, and accountability. It's not spitting in anybody's face when you just show them the information they requested is already accessible. Maybe the problem is with those that we as trappers have entrusted to market our goods ?? Both auction houses have the ability to trace pelts, and if that information was the best approach to marketing those goods, and with the current consignment agreement that all fur shippers agree to when shipping fur in place, that gives the consignment company almost complete control to market those goods at their digression , then why have not the auction houses already implemented traceability ?? The auction houses better be able to provide traceability, and if not then why are we shipping them fur to market ??


RTT