Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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My daughter on the other hand is more difficult to recommend a trade. Yeah, I know, girl power, blah blah blah. Women cannot be successful in difficult trades that require physical strength. So in my simple mind, I hope for her to be able to capitalize on mental power. I continue to speak with her about going to a sales school. One that seriously teaches sales. Body language, correct verbiage, tact, presentation and all that jazz. I think anyone could do well if they learn how to sell stuff.
So trades are fantastic in my opinion. What trades can be recommended for females?
HVAC is entirely possible for your daughter too. Home Service is a solid living and often doesn't require much more than being brave enough to crawl into some crappy places. Other trades? Consider what people need in life. Not want, but need. They have to be born, Eat, Shelter, and die. Plenty of options in those categories. Perhaps opening her own poultry business, raising free range birds, for egg sales, as well as free range meat birds for local sale at the near by farmers markets. Friends of mine use pastures to free range their chickens and a mobile chicken house to move pastures, then sell the birds at markets and through a recurring sales program they have. It's done well enough that He is about to quit his full time job, wife is a stay at home. Point being that small scale farming is doable, esp if she gets into the quasi-organic side of things doing a handful of custom grows. Mortician is also a valid need/ funeral director. Nursing will never go away, but does require college. Pharmaceutical sales is big money, but of the five or six I knew that did it, all were drunks and one a pill head. Sales is an environment where Narcissist do the best (sorry if that's offensive) Point is focus her in areas were the need will never go away.
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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A lesson todays kids have not learned is that you only get out of a job what you are willing to put in. Work hard, be the best employee ever, and know what the businesses objectives are. Think like your boss.
Some job experiences can teach you what you do not want to do with the rest of your life. I learned a few of those on a farm and in the military, and they enriched my future work ethic.
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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That reminds me of my neighbors kid. He's a hard working honest young man who loves to work on cars and trucks. I recently wrote a recommendation for him to the local Boy Scout Eagle Scout Review Panel. Ain't no way that boy was ever going to make it though four years of college. He went to vo-tech for diesel mechanics and was guaranteed a job with a local company before he graduated. He's working for them now, making great money and loving it!
Eh...wot?
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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Well although college isn't for everyone my 24 year old daughter and 22 year old son both graduated from University of Akron with business degrees. My wife and I helped some with $$. They both commuted because we live 20 minutes outside of Akron because dorm was on their dime, they both made a wise choice, saved thousands and we got them both at home for 4 years. My daughter is in Culture and People development (HR) for a large building supply company and my son is in sales for Crown Lift Trucks. Both make mid 60's and I am 90% confident that both will be pushing $100 within 5 years. Theres jobs to live on and then theres jobs that you can make a lot more money at working just as hard as someone else. I bust my hump everyday to make 1/4 of someone that doesn't hold a candle to my ethic.
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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My undergrad degree was not a requirement to get my job. I got my job due to my experience in the field and the required training that I had already received. My degree has been invaluable for promotions. Right or wrong, that piece of paper weighs more than years of experience and on the job education in our promotional process. I'll graduate next summer with my masters because it is a preferred qualification for the things I want to do in the future. The other preferred qual is advanced leadership training. I've been lucky enough to be accepted to the FBI National Academy in April, so I'll have to spend 10 weeks in Quantico starting April 1. It's not that I'm learning anything life changing, but I'm checking the boxes I need to check to move myself to the front of the line in the future. I don't necessarily agree with how it works, but that's how it works none the less. If I didn't do these things I would be doing myself a disservice.
I tell people that all that piece of paper does is check off a box on an application, and it shows that you will finish something that you start. It doesn't mean you know your rear end from a hole in the ground. Done properly, college SHOULD NOT teach you WHAT to think, rather HOW to think; as in the process of critical thinking. In much the same way trade school teaches you to perform a task by repetition and experience, college teaches you problem solving though repetition and experience.
That being said it is not for everyone. That's not a bad thing or a good thing, it's just the way the world works. Trying to force everyone down the higher ed pipeline is unfair to many people who spend a lot of money getting a degree they can't use (or at least can't afford to pay for), or worse yet dropping out and having the debt with no degree. Why not go to school for two years to learn a trade? Get good at it, hire people to work for you, and make more money than all of us!
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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I started out in skilled trades as an electrician. I went to Vocational School in High School and obtained my electrical license. Working in the field provided me with the motivation to get a 4 year degree in Electrical Engineering. I agree that everyone is not cut out for college, but my four year degree along with the experience I gained in the skilled trade of electrician and an engineering internship while in college have opened many doors for me in my lifetime. As a manager of 14 electricians and electrical technicians, I have had the best success with employees that obtained their skill in the military. They have discipline, real world knowledge, and great work ethic. I can see a time in the near future in my area of the country where it will be an accomplishment if you can get someone to show up everyday scheduled and on time regardless of skill.
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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I can see a time in the near future in my area of the country where it will be an accomplishment if you can get someone to show up everyday scheduled and on time regardless of skill. Boy howdy! I finished my working career as a garbage truck driver. Even in that business, it's to the point where the drivers come to work when they want to, as you can't hire anybody to replace them that will do any better! As long as they get the work done by the end of the day...
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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bs, ms, phd. bullpoo, more poo, piled high and deep.....
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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What the previous two said. Some good jobs require degrees simple as that. I do see that in the future Mexican labor will put a hurt on manual/skilled labor. It is creeping along. Some of the labor unions really need to be careful as their pay, work, benefits, etc. are so high it is really inviting the cheap Mexican labor to come in. I've made a pile of money fixing the mess that cheap labor installed. Mike
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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Let's hear from a successful college professional who regrets going to college. That's not the issue its the unsuccessful deep in debt ones that have worthless degrees and 50000 in loans that parents worry about their kids ending up as.
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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My daughter on the other hand is more difficult to recommend a trade. Yeah, I know, girl power, blah blah blah. Women cannot be successful in difficult trades that require physical strength. So in my simple mind, I hope for her to be able to capitalize on mental power. I continue to speak with her about going to a sales school. One that seriously teaches sales. Body language, correct verbiage, tact, presentation and all that jazz. I think anyone could do well if they learn how to sell stuff.
So trades are fantastic in my opinion. What trades can be recommended for females?
If she has worked with you she has likely seen all the different trades in action. IF she is interested in a trade I would suggest electrician and eventually, an electrical administrators license. Not a lot of need for brute strength but does require some knowledge and the ability to learn and reason. Electrical work, on average, is not nearly as physically demanding as some of the other trades. There are times when it's intensely physical, but that's the exception and not the rule. My latest apprentice is a woman and she does fine. I'm not sure how well she would have done with the crew installing 5" rigid, but that's a tough job no matter how big and bad a guy is. Electrical work has many specialties that a person can settle into and make a good living... Fiber work, fire alarm, Tele/Data/Comm, PLC's... Lots of good jobs where you get paid for thinking instead of sweating. Mike
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Re: The infamous 4 yr degree.
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Hard work never killed anyone.
Hard to find an American to do any today.
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