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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6335585
09/28/18 05:35 PM
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Lot of misinformation out there. they ONLY lay eggs under the skin of a host. They are host specific. Fox mites don't infect dogs or coyotes and vice versa. No eggs are lain in dirt or grass or anyplace except under the skin of a host animal.


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: danny clifton] #6335663
09/28/18 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Lot of misinformation out there. they ONLY lay eggs under the skin of a host. They are host specific. Fox mites don't infect dogs or coyotes and vice versa. No eggs are lain in dirt or grass or anyplace except under the skin of a host animal.


X2 what Danny says. That is what I know about mange also.

I wish I knew more about the life cycle of the lice that have been infesting yotes. It is a wide spread problem, that seems to be getting worse. There is very limited info out there about lice, and I really don't enjoy throwing away half of my catch.


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: lee steinmeyer] #6335688
09/28/18 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: lee steinmeyer
Drop baits in the area with Ivermectin in them.


this should work well or ivermectin horse paste


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6335707
09/28/18 08:58 PM
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Have to wonder after the actions of our dogs when getting oral doses of it if a fox will eat a bait that has been injected. They won't eat a cow after being injected with antibiotics.


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: tjm] #6336097
09/29/18 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: tjm
Goldnut, they would just about need to rub each other or lay down together for the mites to transfer. Likely that the mites will be dead before that happens and also likely that without the treatment they would spread the mites. I have read that the mites can live less than about 24 off the animal, maybe less than 12 hours, with out the animals body heat. So there is little likelihood of the mites spreading from a bed or from a dead animal.




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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336128
09/29/18 11:52 AM
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The best way to prevent natures diseases from thinning out overpopulated animals is to manage the numbers through trapping.
Seen mange on my line once in 34 years in fox,when I first got the line.
Wolves have shown up with the chewing lice from time to time.When more trappers were taking wolves in the past the lice was rare in wolves.Now because of so many vacant traplines in the North,it can be a problem since wolves range so far,it takes more than one trapper to manage them on the landscape.

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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336144
09/29/18 12:12 PM
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Get a few here with it. They get taken care of.
Eliminate the ones that are spreading it.
IMO it would take a series of treatments to get rid of it, even then extreme cases are hard to rid.

Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336348
09/29/18 06:56 PM
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no mites in dens for days let alone years. one shot of ivomec is a cure.

there is a type of mange dogs get when they are allergic to their own skin mites. we all have skin mites living on us eating dead skin. that allergy in dogs requires a constant treatment of allergic symptoms. that however is not the sarcoptic mange that ruins fur and eventually causes the death of the host animal.


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336368
09/29/18 07:26 PM
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Mange doesn't always kill the animal.The fur council had a nice wolf pelt in their fur kit,and a scrapbook full of pictures of the same wolf when it was collared a couple years earlier by the MNR.At the time it was collared it was bad with mange.


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: danny clifton] #6336381
09/29/18 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
no mites in dens for days let alone years. one shot of ivomec is a cure.

there is a type of mange dogs get when they are allergic to their own skin mites. we all have skin mites living on us eating dead skin. that allergy in dogs requires a constant treatment of allergic symptoms. that however is not the sarcoptic mange that ruins fur and eventually causes the death of the host animal.



My buddy had a dog like that he treated and treated without any success. Must have been that allergy ..
I see hairless coyotes in the Dead of winter some def find a way to survive . See them up around hay piles alot.

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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336386
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if your dog develops the allergic reaction mange a vet can give a shot every month or so that will provide relief. wife has a little lap dog that will drive you nuts scratching and biting herself without those allergy shots


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336390
09/29/18 07:57 PM
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I've seen yotes die down to a very small population twice in my life. Both times, it killed the pups in the dens and shortly after they started moving. But I have caught a lot of old coyotes that have the scars from having the mange, and in some cases were in the process of growing their fur back. They are survivers! Now fox.....not so much. Fox get scarcoptic mange, they are DOA.

Now the lice, I have seen yotes clean up from year to year. About four years ago, all I was catching was yotes with lice. I quit on them by thanksgiving, they were so infested. The next year, I didn't catch a single one with lice. Last season, I threw half of the catch away in Ks, and a third in SD. I wish some studys would be done to find out a lot more of how it is propagated, where it comes from in the environment. If you google chewing lice, it just tells what they are but doesn't address they're interaction with canines. It is a wide spread problem that little is actually known about. It has been around for years though, as I saw it back thirty to fourty years ago, but at that time, I thought it was mange that hadn't gotten bad yet! We always called a coyote with a fur problem....mangy!


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336394
09/29/18 08:01 PM
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you would think someone would create a fashion trend out of thin pink haired in the crotch coyotes


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Re: Can I treat the den with something [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6336395
09/29/18 08:01 PM
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The lice is also a problem over here Lee , they get real thin in neck and shoulders? ^ and pink inside the legs

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