Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 01:51 PM
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Please excuse my crude, marked up, football playbook drawing, but I'm a visual person. I wanted some advice on what others think about their flatsets. At what point do you start to question when you are wrong in trap placement? In the photo I edited for you from this morning's check, you can see the trap in light blue, the yellow circle around the rock is a tiny bit of coyote gland lure, the yellow zig zag on the right is coyote/fox urine. The red circled tracks are from a big wolf that ran through last night, the purple circled traps are a coyote that ran through the night before. I went with my gut this morning, and I DID NOT touch this set. I told myself, it's just a matter of time, they'll get caught, don't go messing with anything. They clearly are fired up and enjoy marking the set otherwise they wouldn't keep returning. I did put two teeny tiny rocks in each wolf track, to maybe get them to step slightly different. However, it's only a coyote trapper's nature to second guess oneself and wonder if you have your placement off? I use my trapline dog as my guide for trap placement so when he peed on this spot the day I was setting traps, I bedded the trap right in his track. He's an 80 pound collie so I thought the placement should have been perfect. Other picture is the set the day I made it, before all the canines ran through. Am I just overthinking it? How many "misses" do you guys let your sets get before you do something different?? Thanks for any responses.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 03:00 PM
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I normally don't but I had to remake two of the sets that were within a few yards of this one because I don't use waxed dirt in early season but now we have freezing temps coming so I re-bed all my sets in weatherproof dirt....except this one lol
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 03:03 PM
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I'd also leave it alone..but when I can't stay away any longer because the trap is still empty after two weeks I'd put in a urine post set about ten feet away using two traps. I'll have to do that maybe by Sunday if I don't connect. A man could drive himself crazy second guessing himself. I was thinking if I find another fresh scat pile on another property maybe I'll add it to the set a few inches up, just to keep them interested?
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 03:21 PM
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I'd also leave it alone..but when I can't stay away any longer because the trap is still empty after two weeks I'd put in a urine post set about ten feet away using two traps. You got an empty k9 trap that long you better be making a new set/s or move on as you are wasting your time and there's more/different k9s to be caught with less effort. My 2 cents FWIW
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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Maybe it is the picture, but that black blob really sticks out. I notice a pattern of the coyote and wolf both stepping there...just different distances out. About the only pattern I see. Not a big time canine trapper, but on the flat sets I had success with, I want them focusing in on an something when the scent hits them.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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Maybe it is the picture, but that black blob really sticks out. I notice a pattern of the coyote and wolf both stepping there...just different distances out. About the only pattern I see. Not a big time canine trapper, but on the flat sets I had success with, I want them focusing in on an something when the scent hits them. Are you talking about the black blob to the left of the bottom purple coyote track? That's actually a scat pile from a fox that I added. So what you are saying makes sense, if they sniff the scat pile, then take a step forward to mark the scat pile, that's probably why their tracks are all about a foot north of my trap bed...maybe it is as simple as moving or adding a fresh scat pile 6 inches south??
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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The lack of any backing at all surprised me. Usually flat sets don't utilize a backing...but to a wild canine, even a domestic canine, those little teeny tiny tufts of grass are a fire hydrant to them
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 04:22 PM
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put in a third lure on a stick or rock make a triangle from the 3 lure placements. Put a trap right in the center of the triangle and make sure the scents are 9-10" away from the center of the pan.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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I would not do anything to this awt either. Just in the future, perhaps pick a spot that can give you a natural walk through like some grass clumps to funnel the coyote in I didn't pick this spot, it picked me! lol when I was scouting, I put in 2 regular boring dirt holes at this location and the backscratching and scat piles stuck out like a sore thumb...being a coyote trapper I couldn't just walk by and not put a set here. But unfortunately this is just a pond that was created 2 summers ago, so there's nothing for 100 yards in any direction, just dirt and the little bit of clover clumps that you see in the picture.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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Now that I realize the black blob is fox scat, I would put it right on the coyote track in the top purple circle. I think I'm going to slap my hand and not touch it until Sunday...and if I still haven't connected then what do I have to lose, I'll move the trap like you said, to the north 6-8 inches where those tracks seem to congregate.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 10:04 PM
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The perfect circle around your trap tells me. Make were they are stepping less inviting or add another trap. A small stepping stick wouldn't hurt. They are showing you were they want to step. Now you show them where to step.
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/07/18 10:20 PM
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I would take a rock and smear some lure on the bottom of the rock and put it behind the trap where the purple circle is
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Re: Question about Canine Flat Sets
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11/08/18 08:03 PM
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IMO he knows where your trap is ,That means odor to me
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