I will provide you with understanding Hal. Republicans say they are against gun control, but by both sins of commission and omission have shown they are all for gun control. They want government to be the arbiters of who has guns and who doesn't. They want to control the levers of government. Simple really.

When you carry on like this, it erodes your position.

What position? I'm just another dum dum on the bus.

Perhaps you should set in the back.

I am in the back, I am the minority here.

Just a poor Finnish American oppressed by the patriarchy. Gotta speak truth to power and Hal.

There ya go again... Spouting that dad-blamed free market nonsense.

( I actually alluded to that a few posts back. It's OK though... I forgive you)

Mike

I thought businesses did?
They want insurance to cover their employees and to get it, they can't have impaired employees . Pretty much what i was told for my insurance.
(all these frivalous lawsuits and such)

Free market will enable insurance companies to adjust their policies or be replaced by insurance companies that will cater to business needs.

Hippie, I've seen it both ways. A lot of construction outfits don't test unless mandated by the customer or insurance.

There was a guy in my area several years back that won a bid for concrete work in the oil fields. Customer required UA's and he lost his whole crew.

Mike

Yep Mike, insurance companies are driving most of this testing B.S.

There needs to be a remedy or there's gonna be problems legalizing it.

The thing that I've noticed is there are folks who don't need to be in certain lines of work... Period. Which is to say that even if they were 100% straight and sober I still wouldn't trust them.

And I've know guys who "partake" regularly and are some of the best employees a guy could ask for.

I think it boils down to keeping insurance and OSHA off of employers backs.

Yes, something needs to be figured out.

Mike

How it would work is each person carry a liability policy for $1million (or XX) like subcontractors always have to and sign a no sue contract with the employer, and be self insured. Let OSHA supervise the State Department and Congress.

Didn't your mama ever teach you the difference between "set" and "sit"?

How about an editor then?

Jim

I think its all going to work out. I doubt anybody wants employees under the influence of any drug except nicotine while at work. The exception might be actors, musicians, writers and few not coming to mind at the moment. You would think a blood test to determine levels of marijuana intoxication, maybe even a breath test would not be too difficult to come up with. Just need real world testing like was done with ethanol. Test people while sober with various coordination tests and cognitive/problem solving. Give them a measured dose of thc and test again. Do the blood/ breath test at each stage as well. Nobody is doing it because any consumption is illegal.