Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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i feel like i'm havin a flashback. LOL Yeah, didn't we have this argument back in 2002?
Eh...wot?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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12/06/18 09:46 PM
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Yep, its a lost cause. Until it hurts them in the pocket book the PGC will change nothing.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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I have seen a lot more big bucks since antler restrictions. But, killing them is another story. All these big deer now have several hunting seasons under their belt and have learned the survival game really well. I was content shooting a small, stupid buck every year than a nice one every three or four years.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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I'm a confessed " Trophy Hunter". That being said, I'm that way because I Can! Have shot truckloads of deer, probably pushing 400. Shooting a deer is quite easy where I hunt. I routinely pass up 30-60 bucks a year while archery hunting. I choose to wait for older age class deer but to restrict those that are happy just to be out there and shooting a buck sucks! Most don't have the time/ properties as " trophy hunters" . As for the genetic thing..., Your NOT gonna shoot genetics out of free ranging deer! Does have just as much to do with genetics as do bucks. Do I like antler restrictions?, No! I will shake hands and help drag anyone that shoots a small buck.
Thier tag.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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I'm a confessed " Trophy Hunter". That being said, I'm that way because I Can! Have shot truckloads of deer, probably pushing 400. Shooting a deer is quite easy where I hunt. I routinely pass up 30-60 bucks a year while archery hunting. I choose to wait for older age class deer but to restrict those that are happy just to be out there and shooting a buck sucks! Most don't have the time/ properties as " trophy hunters" . As for the genetic thing..., Your NOT gonna shoot genetics out of free ranging deer! Does have just as much to do with genetics as do bucks. Do I like antler restrictions?, No! I will shake hands and help drag anyone that shoots a small buck.
Thier tag. I also like to wait it out for a mature buck. Restriction I don't agree with shoot what works for you. Bucks >>> Of all those deer (400) you have shot are most from the state of MN and do most make P&Y or B&C? That is a lot of tags didn't realize one man could ever get that many tags. Thanks
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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I don't like antler restrictions. I'm a meat-hunter and couldn't care less about antler size. I do like the herd reduction though. The does are so much bigger and healthier than they were pre-HR. It was necessary, Pennsylvania's deer herd was mismanaged for decades. There were way too many deer and they were half-starved scrawny runts.
I think the herd numbers are stable in the two areas I hunt (5C and 3A) and I'm happy with the population and the doe tag allotments.
Eh...wot?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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I'm in WMU 4C and we never had small have starved deer. The habitat was always able to handle the herd. No browse line in the forests here and never was. Just another example of the PGC mismanaging the resources. They can't adopt an idea all across the board to all the WMUs because of diversity of habitat from one area to another.
My dad tells a story of seeing game officers counting grouse flushes to gage populations. They were walking through the woods counting flushes of grouse and each time they would flush a bird that would be counted as another bird in the population not allowing for two or three flushes of the same bird as just being that one bird. So they calculated the grouse population as being much higher than it should have been.
Jim
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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LOL >>> I don't hate MN people I might not agree with your ways or a topic you have started, but hate is something you said. That's fine but that is a lot of tags for one man. You must hunt many states to been able to kill that many. But good for you. As far a trophy hunting like you said you must have a lot of P&Y and B&C bucks.
You sure have done well as a hunter to accomplish what you have said Good for you Buck's.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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LOL >>> I don't hate MN people I might not agree with your ways or a topic you have started, but hate is something you said. That's fine but that is a lot of tags for one man. You must hunt many states to been able to kill that many. But good for you. As far a trophy hunting like you said you must have a lot of P&Y and B&C bucks.
You sure have done well as a hunter to accomplish what you have said Good for you Buck's. Snowy you ever think maybe he is 247 yrs old? That is one way for 1 man to kill 400 deer. If my memory serves me right on your pics you posted you look to be late 30's If you started killing deer at age 10 that's 30 years 400 divided by 30 that's a little over 13 a year . WOW you are a killing machine !!!!!! Of course my numbers are based on me guessing your age. If you are 247 years old then that sounds like a normal deer hunters average !!!!
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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jbyrd63 >>>> Ya, exactly LOL. It sounded pretty interest so I thought I would ask a few questions on all his success but NO go. LOL And being a trophy hunter only, he has to have a lot of P&Y and B&C head gear.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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The antler restrictions have done nothing but cause arguments between hunters. I like to shoot deer for the purpose of eating them. They look cool on the wall, but when I pull a chunk of backstrap out of the freezer in February, I see deer meat. I don’t see a 3.5 yr old buck or a nanny doe.
That being said, I choose to hunt for the oldest buck I get on camera through archery but come rifle, I’m still looking for a decent buck, but a good sized 2.5 yr old buck like the one I shot this year will do. I don’t think the state should tell anyone what buck you should be able to shoot. Most hunters I know are hunting for a buck for meat, prob 10% are going to pass up every buck they see until the “one” presents the opportunity.
If you want to shoot trophy bucks, pass em up till it’s at least 4.5, and I think it’s safe to say most people have never killed or seen a 4.5 yr old deer. I’ve killed one deer in my life in PA that was possibly that old. The rest 1.5-3.5.
I think it’s should be the hunters/landowners choice, not the states.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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, I'm perfectly fine not getting a buck and putting a couple doe in the freeze. Our area of PA is polluted with deer. X 2
Eh...wot?
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