Was the world created by intelligent design or just evolve? I'd like to determine this for a starting point.

trapperrev - a very good post and one that will give me somethings to think on and study.

In what religion is lying to your enemy good?(Quote)

Islam, I believe.

Yup

Namaste.

Just because people lyed in the Bible doesn't make it right. By that reasoning, anything can be justified, because the Bible just records peoples deeds, good or bad. Fortunately, it also often records God's reaction to thier actions.
Yep, we are all lyers, rapists, murderers and thieves. If you have thought of doing it, you are guity of it. Until a person recognizes that, they will never understand the gospel, or the need for a dying Savior.

That's because you've never seen yourself the way God sees you. One peek at what God sees and you'd rather been born a dog.

The Big Bang closely resembles what the Bible describes as the creation event. Ex nihilo...out of nothing. I'm not suggesting I hold to the BB theory but it's the best and most generally accepted model science to date has got.

The Judeo / Christian Era is but a tiny blip in the space/time continuum .

Man is a tiny blip in same. Amazing how much knowledge man has accumulated in these last days. Just as the Bible says.

And yet Christianity is still on the rise 2000 years later. Still the fastest growing religion in the world, in spite of the shift in demographics. Hmmm..

The many parts of the earth you speak of were uninhabited after the flood, so Judaism didn't disappear- it just failed to appear until the Christians came to those continents and killed or subdued the " heathen aborigines"; making it safe for other religions to live there/here.


Do you think Judaism existed (and waned) in Australia, the Americas, India, or Asia prior to European invasion?

I think what turns a lot of people off is their new earth idea where the earth is only a few years old. I think that was started to put down evolution by saying there isn't enought time for evolution to have happened. I have coal mine buddies that find fossils of ferns etc. I have had guys tell me it was made that way, and If I questioned it I was against creation. Same way with oil. I put put the question to them how did the mountains on the east side of US get so wore off and not the Rockies. I have saw estimate that it took 200 thosand years to wear off. But they seem to think they was made that way and if I don't then I am questioning God (really I am questioning their ideas)

Many think philosopy has corrupted me. Socrates and Plato were searching for the truth. The sciences have picked from there and no longer start at 0. They want to start out in the middle and say that is the way it is.

Phi is 1.618 or .618 It is a golden mean or ratio. Even pyscholgy follows those ratio's. You can start anywhere out in the middle and come up with ratio's. Someone has to finaly start at 0+1 +1 +2 +3+5+8+13+21+34+55 and on out to eternity.

I am trying to cut some wood while the sun is shining, but I will continue looking for this thread. Til later

Can you give a recent example of Christians beating the snot out of Muslims? It's true that Muslims have been killing Christians in many parts of the world today for being Christians. You can't give an example of Christian's killing Muslims for being Muslims today, though.

When you say you need no god, you label yourself a humanist. In the Humanist Manifesto, it's written that no god will save us, we will save ourselves. That has to be the saddest argument of all time. Because death must mean, to cease to ever exist, ever see former loved ones, total nothingness, nothing to hope for.

Odin hung himself on Yddragsil, the Tree of Life, for 9 days, refused all aid and pierced himself with a spear to gain the knowledge of runes, to save humanity.

Prometheus gave man the gift of fire, so that they might live and was tortured by having an eagle eating his liver every day.

Horus died to save people and came back from the dead 3 days later.

Quetzalcoatl went to the underworld of the dead, to make humans and then came back to life.

It is a very recurring theme that a God dies, or suffers deadly torment for their people.

Keith

I am reminded of a Mark Twain quote, if I may paraphrase " I thought my parents were ignorant and stupid when I left home 30 years ago, and it's amazing how intelligent they had become when I returned ".

Sorry about cutting that one up so bad.

I would bet Islam is just because of the incredible fertility rate amongst it's people.

Islam is the fastest growing religion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-39279631/islam-the-world-s-fastest-growing-religion

Australian Aborigines have been where they are for 40 thousand years. Predating the Judeo Christian Era.

Not to be a wise guy but perhaps you should read the article you posted... Seeing as how the first line is: "Islam is the world's second-largest religion, after Christianity. "

Growth is number of converts, not the number of people born into a religion.