Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
[Re: loosegoose]
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If we divide the total U.S. population (about 319 million) by 538 electoral college votes, each electoral college vote should equal about 593K people. So if we take our nation’s most populated state—California—and divide its 39.1 million population by 593K, the state should get sixty-six electoral college votes. Under the Electoral College system, however, the state only gets fifty-five electoral college votes. That’s a difference of eleven electoral college votes—more than all the electoral college votes of the vaunted swing states of Iowa (six) and New Hampshire (four). It also happens that California has our nation's largest minority population, with about 24 million people, or 61.5 percent of the state’s population. Meanwhile, if we look at one of our nation’s least populated states—North Dakota—and divide its 757K population by 593K, the state should get about one electoral vote. However, under the Electoral College system, it gets three votes. It also happens that North Dakota has the lowest minority population in the country—less than ten thousand. That means in North Dakota a voter—who is most likely to be white—has three times more say in who gets to become President. And it means that a California voter—who is most likely to be not white—has a vote that is worth only about 83 percent as the rest of the country. The above is copied from an article explaining how the electoral college gives some people more voting power than others, depending on what state they live in. It's kind of a goony article from a liberal source, trying to make some race-based argument for a popular vote, which is stupid. Popular vote is good, but the race-based argument is stupid, plain and simple. Their number are correct though, and it shows how smaller states' voters have more power than larger states' voters. Full article hereDid those numbers count illegals and felons?
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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The dems winning the popular vote is a given. Clinton won that by 2.9 million. She won California by 4.3 million. Let that sink in! One of the reasons for these numbers is republicans don't waste their time advertising in States they are going to lose. Vice versa for democrats. There is no point in targeting voters in States you can't win with winner take all allocation of electoral votes.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
[Re: loosegoose]
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No, one or two States should determine how the country goes, the reason the electoral college exists. Every State has a say so in determining who is elected. So technically majority doesn't rule and shouldn't. majority of the country doesn't want socialism? yet the urban centers are putting up socialists candidate like AOC or the muslim from michigan or wherever shes from? That is what you get when majority rules and the majority comes from urban liberal centers. How is ole AOC working out for NY? heard her ignorance just lost a little money for those folks up there? but hey majority rules right>>>
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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If federal elections ever went to a popular vote you would never see a Republican President again until it was to late. Why? Can republicans not win over a majority of the population with their ideas? You have got to be a birdbrain.No,they can't. The dems buy votes, and a majority are on the free stuff gravy train. And it is soon complete, free food, free housing, free healthcare, free college, free phones, soon free money for a living wage. No body can compete with that. No freedom, you are then a servant of the government. One party rule while the free stuff last. lol
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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If you pay no Federal taxes you should not get to vote in Federal elections. Now you can have a popular vote. That would make it tough for the democrats and would incite more voter fraud.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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Unconstitutional? No. As best I remember constitutional law, the constitution gives states sole authority to determine their own voting requirements. Presumably that would including the casting of electoral votes.
The freeloaders vote is concentrated in large cities. The vote in large cities determines state-wide election results (as we see in trapping laws). Consider Arizona/Phoenix, Colorado/Denver as examples.
So yes, the electoral college can be subverted by states surrendering the electoral votes to the national popular vote, a popular vote which they themselves largely control. That way they swallow up the voting power of lower populated states, in defiance of the constitution, thus giving freeloaders control of the country. Then politicians that campaign in lower populated states, or advocate fiscal responsibility, will be wasting their time and financial resources, fighting a losing battle.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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You have got to be a birdbrain.No,they can't. The dems buy votes, and a majority are on the free stuff gravy train. And it is soon complete, free food, free housing, free healthcare, free college, free phones, soon free money for a living wage. No body can compete with that. No freedom, you are then a servant of the government. One party rule while the free stuff last. lol
Who's the birdbrain here? If republicans don't have ideas that people like, then why should they win elections? I think the birdbrain is the person that thinks republicans can't come up with good ideas and policies, but they should win elections anyways. The birdbrain is the person that thinks that the candidate that fewer people voted for is the person that should win the election. Republicans need to return to their roots of freedom and small government, and educate the populace as to why that's what our country needs. If they can't do that, they don't deserve to win elections.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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Educating a populace that is getting free stuff from this day to forever is impossible. Then I guess the republicans should just give up? Or maybe we should just have a republican-run dictatorship?
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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I don't know who you are calling birdbrain. Calling names is a smoke screen at best. PSB1011 called me a birdbrain because I asked if republicans could win over a majority of the population with their ideas. I was using birdbrain back to show the silliness of name calling. I agree it's a smokescreen for not being able to answer the question, or knowing the answer and not liking what that answer is.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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I don't know who you are calling birdbrain. Calling names is a smoke screen at best. Sorry furvur, it wasn't directed at you. I couldn't quote it because it was already two quotes deep, but PSB1011 called me a birdbrain because I asked if republicans could win over a majority of the population with their ideas. I was using birdbrain back to show the silliness of name calling. I agree it's a smokescreen for not being able to answer the question, or knowing the answer and not liking what that answer is.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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Who's the birdbrain here? If republicans don't have ideas that people like, then why should they win elections? I think the birdbrain is the person that thinks republicans can't come up with good ideas and policies, but they should win elections anyways. I'm going to have to go with you being the birdbrain. Conservatives have always had the same message. Work hard, take care of yourself and your family. Be financially responsible. Don't rely on government to protect you or provide for you. That message hasn't changed. What has changed is the way the populace views that message. It is now laughed at and ridiculed in favor of dependence on government handouts. i think you know that and are just looking for an argument.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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The founders were well aware of the evil of Democracy, they were familiar the the "founder of the Philosophy" Plato and his work "Platos Republic". It was never intended that every nimwit with a pulse 18 years or older be allowed to vote. As we continue going more towards "majority rules" we will see a continued decline, rights will be lost or restricted and fate will deal us a bad hand and hard times, from those hard times strong men will arise to lead us back towards good times and the cycle will continue as it always has and always will. Seeing what we see today, the idea of only the gentry class having a vote begins to make more sense.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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Then I guess the republicans should just give up? Or maybe we should just have a republican-run dictatorship?
Preferable to a Progressive dictator.
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Re: Liberals Trying To Kill Electoral College Without
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Who's the birdbrain here? If republicans don't have ideas that people like, then why should they win elections? I think the birdbrain is the person that thinks republicans can't come up with good ideas and policies, but they should win elections anyways. I'm going to have to go with you being the birdbrain. Conservatives have always had the same message. Work hard, take care o yourself and your family. Be financially responsible. Don't rely on government to protect you or provide for you. That message hasn't changed. What has changed is the way the populace views that message. It is now laughed at and ridiculed in favor of dependence on government handouts. i think you know that and are just looking for an argument. I'm well aware of what the parties messages are. I'm aware that the populace has become more liberal. So what's you solution lugnut? Should republicans work harder at educating people? Should we just let the person with the least votes win? Should republicans just give up? Instead of name calling and telling me that the republican's message isn't popular, which we're all aware of, how about we try to think of some solutions to the problem? Got any ideas?
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