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Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475394
02/27/19 04:17 PM
02/27/19 04:17 PM
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Chicken, Alaska
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Nate....
I know when I buy large cable there is a huge price difference between US made and foreign.
Maybe this is a factor.

Speaking of wolf cable .... this is suppose to be 5/64 7x7 cable. From the frayed wires it sure doesn't
look like 7x7 to me !
[Linked Image]

Last edited by Chickenminer; 02/27/19 04:28 PM.
Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475409
02/27/19 04:27 PM
02/27/19 04:27 PM
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Interior Alaska
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Yes, that's what I thought at first, but MTP also lists a Chinese cable same size and length at $10 cheaper, $49.

It probably is an origin thing, tho.

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475428
02/27/19 04:39 PM
02/27/19 04:39 PM
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Is your picture from a self released critter?

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475468
02/27/19 05:10 PM
02/27/19 05:10 PM
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Unfortunately yes .... third one this winter from 5/64 cable using the Amberg lock!
Between this and wolves getting eaten in snares I give up.
I hate wolf snares .... sticking with traps!

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475511
02/27/19 06:19 PM
02/27/19 06:19 PM
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Wow, that sucks! That would make me reconsider my approach as well!

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6475699
02/27/19 08:53 PM
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I know some guys use it but I say 5\64 is too small and weak for timberwolves.Trick to snaring wolves and having a good pelt is to get them down and out right quick. Strive to snare them high up on the neck behind the ears,tie off solid and set where you have tight entanglement.A wolf alive in a snare for any period of time will wreck himself to a certain extent.I have been using kill springs on 3/32 wolf snares since the early 90's.Before that we used 1/8 7x7.Loops were big and poor catches were more common but they rarely escaped a 1/8 snare.
Chickenminer that broke cable appears to be 1x19

Last edited by Boco; 02/27/19 08:59 PM.

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Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6476395
02/28/19 03:30 PM
02/28/19 03:30 PM
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Chickenminer are you using a kill spring? Show us a pic of the lock? And the setup scenario...Or maybe it is being worn?

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6476562
02/28/19 06:22 PM
02/28/19 06:22 PM
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Amberg snare.
Here is the lock setup on a new snare.
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Re: Wolf cable [Re: Chickenminer] #6476631
02/28/19 07:12 PM
02/28/19 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chickenminer
Nate....
I know when I buy large cable there is a huge price difference between US made and foreign.
Maybe this is a factor.

Speaking of wolf cable .... this is suppose to be 5/64 7x7 cable. From the frayed wires it sure doesn't
look like 7x7 to me !
[Linked Image]


Your wires look perfectly broken, not cut or chewed, which points to the cable wire strength. There is a difference between the American, Japanese, Korean and European quality control, compared to China and India. This is best explained by anecdotes. China scrapped most of the United States Andrew Carnegie steel. Carnegie's steel is amazing in I have a Ford cultivator that I can not drill a hole in the main frame as it is that hard, but not brittle. Like most here, I purchased allot of Chinese manufacture cast iron cookware when it was cheap. I soon discovered that this cast iron took more heat to heat it to temperature compared to the Wagner and Griswold American manufacture.
When I was in Kansas City for awhile, one day I turned the hot water off and the entire faucet came off in my hand and I had a geyser in the apartment. I got the maintenance crew and was talking to them about it, and the one guy handed me the threaded washer, made in China, and it was thin as paper. China has zero quality control and the United States is full of this garbage.
A friend told me when Bill Clinton was shipping jobs from Minnesota out of country that the corporations knew they would have to manufacture 10 parts for every 5 that might make it through, but labor was cheap so it made the cost factor sense. I would add that "made in the USA" has had the Chinese dumping production in other nations, and it ended up in the United States as American.
The long story point is, I saw cable exactly like yours two weeks ago in a blizzard. I had purchased Goodyear Wranglers which were guaranteed (guaranteed if I rotated tires, kept records.....in other words the guarantee is worthless from Goodyear) and it was the second tire which blew out on those Wranglers, because these Chinese manufactured tires cable wires in them break.
Chinese cable works on steering cables on boats and planes if it is inspected and replaced. Wolves and mountain lions are different in the stress they put on cables. As you know cable is only as strong as the wire, because when unwound, it is just the wires like you have there and they snap. Good wires will hold when no longer cable, but that is not what you have there by the evidence.

Re: Wolf cable [Re: Boco] #6476677
02/28/19 08:08 PM
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Caught a couple dozen now with 5/64 1x19 and a magnum kill spring it put them down fast, might be a different story without a kill spring

Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6476712
02/28/19 08:43 PM
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Star flakes, with all due respect, while your lengthy explanation of cable failure sounds good, it simply isn't logical. Any cable, (aircraft, in particular), has to meet certain tensile and working load standards.
I work professionally with a LOT of cable, in dangerous places. Huge hangar doors utilized by aircraft companys. Cable flexibility, memory, , crimp and swag compatibility, all vary.
All that said, it is highly unlikely that a simple explanation of the above cable is "cheap Chinese steel".
I was surprised a couple of years ago when Bushman commented on a similar picture where a wolf had popped a cable, claiming the wolf generated enough juice to do such.
I called B.S., then did the math. Bushman was correct.
To be clear, I hedged my bet, used an 80# wolf, with a 6' run, if my failing memory is correct. The Ke. Was plenty to SNAP the cable.

Last edited by alaska viking; 02/28/19 08:44 PM.

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Re: Wolf cable [Re: smalltimetrapper] #6693364
12/14/19 04:25 PM
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I know this is an old thread, but has anyone used the micro locks with a kill spring on 3/32" cable for wolves? I also keep seeing from the different supply houses that the Korean cable is better quality than the Chinese cable. I generally don't think of Chinese anything as being of real high quality so that might not be saying much.


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