Hate crime laws.
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I mostly don't believe in "Hate crime laws". I think they are mostly out there to "defend" only certain groups and persecute other groups. They are not applied fairly or equally. For instance, has anyone heard of anyone attacking a white person because they are white getting charged with a "hate crime"? I sure haven't and it's not like it doesn't happen. It's not just white people that are often overlooked, Jews come to mind. Although people do get charged with hate crimes against them, I would debate the fact that it's not as often as other ethnic or racial groups. In any event, it's hard to argue that the laws have been applied equally without prejudice within the legal system. In addition, there are already laws on the books for these crimes that occur. There are laws against assault, murder, harassment, intimidation and the like. I do not think "hate crime" laws are needed and definitely not when they are not applied equally. What say you?
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That's a new Democrat tool. Now talking about building the wall is "hate speech". Just a tool.
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"Hate" crimes are really nothing more than thought crimes. The whole idea of a hate crime is a construct of the left in an attempt to criminalize your thinking. I don't recall were the idea gained traction but my guess would be the ball got rolling in the gay community. It's a way to silence critics, nothing more. Spot on. Mike
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It is interesting that you can have video of someone punching a Trump supporter and no arrest for a while and no media outrage of a hate crime...that right there says it all.
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"Hate" crimes are really nothing more than thought crimes. The whole idea of a hate crime is a construct of the left in an attempt to criminalize your thinking. I don't recall were the idea gained traction but my guess would be the ball got rolling in the gay community. It's a way to silence critics, nothing more. Got started under Reagan and signed into law by H.W. Bush.
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I mostly don't believe in "Hate crime laws". I think they are mostly out there to "defend" only certain groups and persecute other groups. They are not applied fairly or equally. For instance, has anyone heard of anyone attacking a white person because they are white getting charged with a "hate crime"? I sure haven't and it's not like it doesn't happen. It's not just white people that are often overlooked, Jews come to mind. Although people do get charged with hate crimes against them, I would debate the fact that it's not as often as other ethnic or racial groups. In any event, it's hard to argue that the laws have been applied equally without prejudice within the legal system. In addition, there are already laws on the books for these crimes that occur. There are laws against assault, murder, harassment, intimidation and the like. I do not think "hate crime" laws are needed and definitely not when they are not applied equally. What say you? You seem paranoid. I agree the idea of a hate crime is ridiculous. But....yes....I've seen Black's and mexicans charged for hate crimes that were directed at whites. I don't believe they persecute/target one group but they do give extra protection to groups that typically are attacked but again....all crimes in my mind are hate crimes.
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I mostly don't believe in "Hate crime laws". I think they are mostly out there to "defend" only certain groups and persecute other groups. They are not applied fairly or equally. For instance, has anyone heard of anyone attacking a white person because they are white getting charged with a "hate crime"? I sure haven't and it's not like it doesn't happen. It's not just white people that are often overlooked, Jews come to mind. Although people do get charged with hate crimes against them, I would debate the fact that it's not as often as other ethnic or racial groups. In any event, it's hard to argue that the laws have been applied equally without prejudice within the legal system. In addition, there are already laws on the books for these crimes that occur. There are laws against assault, murder, harassment, intimidation and the like. I do not think "hate crime" laws are needed and definitely not when they are not applied equally. What say you? It is clear from this little rant that you don't know how law works....so your commentary is valueless as usual. "hate" crimes add an additional element pertaining to mens rea. That has to be proven in addition to other elements of the crime but allows for additional penalty as well. Of course you don't bother to research and provide supporting statistics, so your speculation about application is fruitless as well.
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It shouldn't matter why a crime was committed, only that it was committed. so capital murder and manslaughter...no distinction, just a dead body?
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"Hate" crimes are really nothing more than thought crimes. The whole idea of a hate crime is a construct of the left in an attempt to criminalize your thinking. I don't recall were the idea gained traction but my guess would be the ball got rolling in the gay community. It's a way to silence critics, nothing more. Please give us an example of a thought that is punishable under the law?
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I mostly don't believe in "Hate crime laws". I think they are mostly out there to "defend" only certain groups and persecute other groups. They are not applied fairly or equally. For instance, has anyone heard of anyone attacking a white person because they are white getting charged with a "hate crime"? I sure haven't and it's not like it doesn't happen. It's not just white people that are often overlooked, Jews come to mind. Although people do get charged with hate crimes against them, I would debate the fact that it's not as often as other ethnic or racial groups. In any event, it's hard to argue that the laws have been applied equally without prejudice within the legal system. In addition, there are already laws on the books for these crimes that occur. There are laws against assault, murder, harassment, intimidation and the like. I do not think "hate crime" laws are needed and definitely not when they are not applied equally. What say you? It is clear from this little rant that you don't know how law works....so your commentary is valueless as usual. "hate" crimes add an additional element pertaining to mens rea. That has to be proven in addition to other elements of the crime but allows for additional penalty as well. Of course you don't bother to research and provide supporting statistics, so your speculation about application is fruitless as well. Hi Daddy Issues! It seems that therapy didn't work..... what a shame.
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It shouldn't matter why a crime was committed, only that it was committed. so capital murder and manslaughter...no distinction, just a dead body? You speak of two different crimes.
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"Hate" crimes are really nothing more than thought crimes. The whole idea of a hate crime is a construct of the left in an attempt to criminalize your thinking. I don't recall were the idea gained traction but my guess would be the ball got rolling in the gay community. It's a way to silence critics, nothing more. Spot on. Mike X2!
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It shouldn't matter why a crime was committed, only that it was committed.
so capital murder and manslaughter...no distinction, just a dead body?
You speak of two different crimes. You have made a circle with your logic. The difference in the crimes that I stated is the "why" or mental state of the criminal.
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Haters gotta hate! Some on here believe that will Make America Great Again.
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