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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523226
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The gaurd has unmarked vehicles?


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523254
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Adam it is not uncommon for them to carry weapons and no ammo or no loaded mags in the weapon.

Something stinks. The federales should be in a U.S. jail right now. Or dead.

Even Barnny Fife was allowed one bullet! Boss gives me a weapon with no ammo, I’ll toss and shoulder a broom! We are living in a bazzoro world.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: beeman] #6523260
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Originally Posted by beeman
I just read several accounts from different sources( Washington Examiner and Briebert) and neither mentions anything about a diversion so the cartel could smuggle drugs as Fox News claimed. The NG members were on the south side of the border fence but still on US soil. The NG soldiers were conducting border support operation in an unmarked vehicle. After us soldiers explained they were on US ground they were released.



Did the Mexicans explain why they were there


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523267
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The way I understand it:

They were in a dhs/border patrol unmarked vehicle. Left the vehicle to approach and were asked to put their weapons back in the vehicle. They complied and after a discussion the Mexicans went back to mexico.


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523270
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
The gaurd has unmarked vehicles?



Do you consider a vehicle just wearing gov plates unmarked ? If so , include the entire military in that list.


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523283
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I say send the Regular Army to the border with tons of ammo and orders that NO ONE come across. Not saying kill anyone just make sure no one comes across.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: adam m] #6523294
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Originally Posted by adam m
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Adam it is not uncommon for them to carry weapons and no ammo or no loaded mags in the weapon.

Something stinks. The federales should be in a U.S. jail right now. Or dead.

Wow, that's nuts. What's the point of carrying with no ammo or unloaded?
I agree the federales should be dead or in jail.



Here is a link to why the military doesn't carry weapons on the southern border, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...noredirect=on&utm_term=.87a267baf1c0

The Marines killed an 18 year old American citizen when they shot him in the back.


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523298
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The US military is deployed to 150 something countries around the world but we can't defend our own border?

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523299
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Sure a lot of people getting their panties in a wad over nothing. Same people that complain that the Mexican government does nothing to stop the flow are now complaining about Mexican troops on the border. The guardsmen did the right thing, Mexico is an ally, you don't get into a firefight with your allies over something this trivial. No harm, no foul.

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Originally Posted by CGilliam
Sure a lot of people getting their panties in a wad over nothing. Same people that complain that the Mexican government does nothing to stop the flow are now complaining about Mexican troops on the border. The guardsmen did the right thing, Mexico is an ally, you don't get into a firefight with your allies over something this trivial. No harm, no foul.


The problem is you don't know if the Mexican troops are working with the government or the cartel ?


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523314
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Anyone that doesn't think we need a wall is a fool.


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523319
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I'd like to read the orders that were given for contact with Mexican law enforcement/military .


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: Finster] #6523320
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Originally Posted by Finster
Anyone that doesn't think we need a wall is a fool.


Most people who say we don't need a wall aren't subject to the immediate consequences of not having one. Odds are, they'll be dead and gone or out of office before the effects are irreversible.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523331
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All good comments. Here's what I don't get, if a fence or wall doesn't work, why do insurance companies require one around swimming pools if you own one?


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Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: Cedar Hacker] #6523337
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Originally Posted by Cedar Hacker
Originally Posted by CGilliam
Sure a lot of people getting their panties in a wad over nothing. Same people that complain that the Mexican government does nothing to stop the flow are now complaining about Mexican troops on the border. The guardsmen did the right thing, Mexico is an ally, you don't get into a firefight with your allies over something this trivial. No harm, no foul.


The problem is you don't know if the Mexican troops are working with the government or the cartel ?



Well pointed out^^^^

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523398
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Cedar Thanks for the link. It doesn't say anything about being shot in the back but rather......The encounter that followed would leave Hernandez, an American citizen, shot in the chest by a Marine corporal. He bled to death, receiving no medical aid. Military officials said the Marine team shot the teenager after he twice fired his rifle in their direction and was raising his gun for a third time, according to Washington Post coverageat the time. Relatives of Hernandez, along with the Texas Rangers who investigated the case, doubted that the teenager ever saw the hidden Marines.

Our soldiers should be locked and loaded cartels are crazy. The cartels have a lot of mexican military and police in their pockets.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: Marty] #6523405
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Originally Posted by Marty
The way I understand it:

They were in a dhs/border patrol unmarked vehicle. Left the vehicle to approach and were asked to put their weapons back in the vehicle. They complied and after a discussion the Mexicans went back to mexico.

Seems reasonable

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: adam m] #6523435
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Originally Posted by adam m
There's a militia here and they helped detain some illegals (over 100 in a group) until boarder patrol could come. Ther leader was arrested. 2 counties here have declared state of emergency and are pleaing with ther governor to send troops for help. She won't. One country is thinking of suing the state. Several checkpoints have been closed in order to help with the crisis yet the governor senators and congressmen say there's no problem.



I've talked to people that have worked close to the border on pipelines, standing order was to cut the leads and and leave if a group of people was seen approaching.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: danny clifton] #6523437
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So if a fence is a wall, the Mexicans were on the right side of the wall and the NG wasn't? Guess we need a double-wall.

Re: mexican troops cross the border [Re: Pike River] #6523438
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Adam, I was just trying to point out why our troops on the border are not armed.

I am one of those that is opposed to a wall on the whole length of the river.
I would rather see law enforcement or armed troops on the border with the order to shoot if the illegals don't turn back.
If the laws that are on the books were enforced on this side of the river all these people would not be pouring across our southern border.

An illegal detention center near me closed in June of 2017. It housed 1550 illegals that were serving time for illegal entry and then deported after serving that time. It was planned to be closed by #44 and #45 would not rescind the order and keep it open. Why ???

The man that was arrested by the FBI in Sunland Park for detaining illegals has been operating in New Mexico for two years. Why arrest him now ???


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