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MB 450 for DRYLAND coon #6534766
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Does anybody have experience with using the MB 450 OS for DRYLAND coon? I have areas that the big boars run the ridges and cornfield edges, I want to take them there. I have plenty of DP's, not the way I want to go in this situation. I want to take the skunks and possums too, they are too thick, hurting the turkey hatch. This will be trapping in fur season.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6534783
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They work great and will hold the yotes that get in them to. I will say that no matter what trap you use for dry coon, bed them solidly and pack the dirt around them. A coon will dig up any wiggly thing they come across, and loose dirt to. A coon will teach a trapper how poorly his trap is bedded every time. wink
Good luck with killin them ridge coon.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6534918
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Body grips In those trails will catch all the critters you mentioned.
But the MB450s will also work.


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6534938
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I’ve caught plenty of opossum and skunk in DP traps.


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6534971
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Not a fan of OS for dryland coon trapping but if you can backfoot them it should work better.
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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: jabNE] #6535033
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Originally Posted by jabNE
Not a fan of OS for dryland coon trapping but if you can backfoot them it should work better.
Jim


X2, if you are buying these traps specifically for skunks, coons, and possums, get the closed jaw. The offset jaw does work, but I’ve lost more than a few coon in the offset version.

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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535125
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I guess If It were me I'd be using BGs and Dps In those trails. And If It comes to just foot holds I'd be buying used traps or New Dukes.


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535195
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I may not be considered a trapper and might be considered lazy, but I’m not setting anything that requires bedding for coons. DP’s work just fine for that.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535632
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If you want to take the skunks, possums, and coon, the go for the BGs and the DPs for sure. All will take those three same species and the traps are actually more specific to those small game than the 450s are. Any dryland coon set guarded with a 450 can take many other species than the BGs and DPs.
Find the tight trails and hit them. Leave the 450 OS at home would be my choice in the situation you are describing and especially this time of year
Jim

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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535647
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The MB450os is my favorite dry coon trap. I lower the pan tension to 1# and take all the animals mentioned. Very few losses! Make sure to add at least a mid chain swivel. From trap to anchor the chain swivel setup is 12-14 inches. Ya gotta give coon a bit of freedom..


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535781
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I can think of cheaper traps to use for those species but if you’ve got them, you might as well use them.


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535831
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So, I appreciate everyone's input, but let's change the question. In order to use a cheaper trap, you decide to use the Duke 1.5. I don't care for the standard jaw for coon on dry ground. Would you use the Duke 1.5 laminated, or the Duke 1.5 DJ. Remember, we are talking DRYLAND.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535920
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Do you not have any DP’s?
I catch coon and possums all the time in OS 550’s. Not setting for them, just my luck when trying to catch coyotes.
When targeting coons, all dry land, unless you count setting a creek bank as water sets, they’re all DP’s.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: trappergbus] #6535928
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Originally Posted by trappergbus
The MB450os is my favorite dry coon trap. I lower the pan tension to 1# and take all the animals mentioned. Very few losses! Make sure to add at least a mid chain swivel. From trap to anchor the chain swivel setup is 12-14 inches. Ya gotta give coon a bit of freedom..

That's interesting... in my experience when ever I decrease pan tension I get more toe catches with dry land coon. That's why I have always went a little on the heavier side on pan tension. I guess that's the good thing about this site is you can see everyone has there own techniques that work for them but maybe not everyone, it can give new guys different ideas to mess with and develop what works for them.

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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6535968
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And what are laminations going to do for you?


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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: The Beav] #6535995
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Originally Posted by The Beav
And what are laminations going to do for you?



I don't know Mr. Beav, that's why I asked the question. There sure seems to be a lot of people using the laminated Duke 1.5 on coon for some reason. I personally have never used a laminated trap on coon.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: Wanna Be] #6536000
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Do you not have any DP’s?



I have lots of DP's, some years running near 100, but I, unlike most do not believe they are the sun, moon and stars all rolled into one. Are they a great trap? YES, no question. But there are situations they are not the best option. I've trapped this same area since 1974, but I'm still trying to learn new ways, new techniques, new traps, new baits, to do a better job every year. It's not just about piling up dead coons on the fur shed floor. Most of the farmers I trap on, want me to take care of the fur bearers on their place. One guy ran a coon through his combine radiator when he started in in late winter to move it. $9000 later his combine was fixed. Now he wants all the coons gone, all the time. I have the run of the place. Another raises sheep. "Do what u want, go were you want, just keep the coyotes in check." Some of these guys knew my parents bf I was born. It's as much a community service sometimes as anything. I want every trick in my trapping bag I can learn.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6536011
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well to be honest with you I see no need for them In your situation. They don't eliminate any chewing and as far as I can tell the coon Isn't any more comfortable when laminations are used. After several minutes with out circulation the animals foot goes to sleep and It feels nothing.

Most laminations are made from round stock so that may do away with the sharp edges on the factory jaws. But a file will do the same thing.
The rank and file believe that with the addition of laminations will spread out the force of initial hit to the foot. That may be so but after the trap closes It's mote point In my opinion. I also belive that laminations being round with no edge will allow the foot more movement.
Laminations will not give you a better hold on that foot while a square faced jaw will give you more holding power.

I will admit to using laminations while trapping for the live market but that Is just to do away with any visual effects of capture. But When I used laminations I used Inside laminations.
But since your not trapping for the live market I don't think laminations are of much of a benefit.

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Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: The Beav] #6536023
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Originally Posted by The Beav
well to be honest with you I see no need for them In your situation. They don't eliminate any chewing and as far as I can tell the coon Isn't any more comfortable when laminations are used. After several minutes with out circulation the animals foot goes to sleep and It feels nothing.

Most laminations are made from round stock so that may do away with the sharp edges on the factory jaws. But a file will do the same thing.
The rank and file believe that with the addition of laminations will spread out the force of initial hit to the foot. That may be so but after the trap closes It's mote point In my opinion. I also belive that laminations being round with no edge will allow the foot more movement.
Laminations will not give you a better hold on that foot while a square faced jaw will give you more holding power.

I will admit to using laminations while trapping for the live market but that Is just to do away with any visual effects of capture. But When I used laminations I used Inside laminations.
But since your not trapping for the live market I don't think laminations are of much of a benefit.


Thank you for that explaination.

Re: MB 450 for DRYLAND coon [Re: #11] #6536037
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I just want to know what y’all feed the coons to keep the population so high? I took 19 coons last year and only 3 this year off the same property. None on cameras either. And you’ve been trapping the same property for 45 years and they still have problems with them. I can’t even find a track.

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