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Bobcat trap pan tension? #6535982
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When you set just for cats at d-holes, flat sets, etc., basically any set besides a blind trail set how much pan tension do you prefer? How much pan travel do you think is the right amount?

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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6535984
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Three or four pounds. I miles trigger my traps so not much pan travel. 90% exposed walk through sets.


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6536070
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Same amount for coyotes 4 lbs or so ,,, Monty style dogless not enough travel you would notice.
Blind set included

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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: red mt] #6536353
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I always make sure the trap fires between pan level to halfway to bottomed out and seems to work very well on coyotes. Most are dog on traps with approximately 3lbs tention. Was wondering if cat guys thought this might be too much pan travel.

Can or could a cat working a set stepping slow and methodical like they do sometimes feel too much pan travel? What causes toe catches in these kinds of sets??


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6536357
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Is there any advantage to any pan travel? I try to take out all the pan travel I can.

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Imo its tension that is more important.
As far as pan travel causing toe catches there is a whole host of other things that could cause that .(lockup) being one of them.
The foot may start all the way in a trap but end up as toe catch when you get there.


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I'm sure it's not a lock up issue with the traps I use. I had a couple cats toe caught out of 15. One that was toe caught pulled out as soon as we pulled up. The other was held but toes were in the middle of the trap. Are some cats so fast they can pull their paw back when the trap fires to be toe caught if they don't completely commit with that foot?

I had about 1 out of 100 coyotes toe caught last year so makes me wonder.


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6536497
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Personally I dont believe the animals are quick enough to react and pull foot back fast enough. I believe toe catches are usually a product of being able to step on the jaws and pan at same time. I run bridger #3 with very little pan pressure and rarely get toe catches. I got some traps with smaller jaw spread and a larger pan in comparison to jaw spread and I start getting some toe catches when use them. Even us humans knowing the trap is going to fire can't pull a stick back fast enough to even come close to clearing jaws. My 2 cents.

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Not to argue too much but imo cats have much better reflexes than we do. Think about it for a second, some people are way faster than others. Go in the ring with a boxer or Mma fighter to see the difference. You do it and I'll watch. Lol
Why couldn't some cats be much faster than others? I'd have to think age would play a huge part in this.

I can't help but think that sometimes it comes down to a fraction of a second whether it's a good catch or not.


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6536528
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I bet the cat guys that run exposed pans and get the cats to step dead center on the pan rarely if ever get toe catches

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I agree cats have quicker reflexes than us but knowing its come and reacting and not knowing and reacting is different

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My ? Was just on the sets the cats are stopping to work, dirt holes and flats etc.

The exposed pan trail sets are completely different . I agree with no toe catches on those sets.

Only way to know is to have a slow motion camera on a set where this happens .


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I look at it like this on pan tension it's like walking on a snow drift or crusted snow,,, once you are up on top with your step you fall to the bottom. There is no coming back.
Yes sir brought up a good point imo.
Cats foot placement on the trap ,,,something to consider.
Not all states can you use or not all set either warrant it either but a second trap is pretty effective at times. wink


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I'm running 2.5 to about 3 lbs on my traps with very little pan travel. I have a mix bag of trap duke #2 rj bridger dogless #2 and a few 550's.
4 of the the 5 cats that I caught were with Zags pipe dream good front foot catches the other one was a flat set by the hind toes that pulled out when I tried to get a picture.
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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: illinideer] #6536701
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Originally Posted by illinideer
I'm running 2.5 to about 3 lbs on my traps with very little pan travel. I have a mix bag of trap duke #2 rj bridger dogless #2 and a few 550's.
4 of the the 5 cats that I caught were with Zags pipe dream good front foot catches the other one was a flat set by the hind toes that pulled out when I tried to get a picture.
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Just curious, which trap did the cat pull out of?


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: rpmartin] #6536703
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Here’s my 2cents. I’d like to have a trap with 2-3lbs tension on pan. I can’t see where any pan travel would be helpful. I think for cat trapping I’d like a nice crisp trigger.

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I agree on the thought of a cat being that fast. It would have to be the Bruce Lee of the cat world. Lol

Let me ask this, is the ratio of toe catches on cats the same as it is for coyotes? Like 2 out of 10. Or is toe catches higher on cats? This is just on sets where they are working the set.

No right or wrong answer, just what you have observed on the line
Thoughts?


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Re: Bobcat trap pan tension? [Re: Yotegiter] #6536752
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Originally Posted by Yotegiter
I can’t see where any pan travel would be helpful. I think for cat trapping I’d like a nice crisp trigger.


Same here.

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I have seen far more in and out sets than I have cat tracks everywhere on a set. But it might be the type of sets of used also.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Is there any advantage to any pan travel? I try to take out all the pan travel I can.
I couldn't agree more I prefer none! If something makes my pans drop I want to hear a snap! 3.# tension and no travel perfect!


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