Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
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russ carmen wrote you need to get good at trapping before you try to make your own bait and lure. I think he is right How will I know when I’m good enough to try, can I count on you guys to tell me??????
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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danny clifton
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What I think, and I believe what Carmen meant was confidence.
If you set a trap and your confident that a coyote will find it, and if your confident its much more likely than not it will get caught, you are at a place to trust the results of your coyote attractants effectiveness testing.
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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How will I know when I’m good enough to try, can I count on you guys to tell me?????? When it's all said and done it doesn't matter what any personality on an internet forum says, if what you are doing makes sense to you, and is putting fur in the traps. Then you don't need anyone's approval. jmo Believe in what you're doing and have enough confidence in your ability to effectively put together a bait and lure without doubting its capabilities to attract the target animal. No doubt you will have some fails, but coming back from a fail being able to stand on your own two feet and accepting it will make room for success. Come back with an update, hopefully it isn't 3 + years from now. Being able to pick up and use anything you make and know it will do what it was intended to do is a beautiful thing.
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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clint your already good enough as long as you have the desire and burning curiosity you will figure it out! As long as your not scared of failure you should be fine. Me personally I welcome failure that is one of the major hitters in figuring out stuff. Nothing ventured nothing gained!
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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Some failures will also be wins! I made a mouse bait 10 years ago I thought was mediocre it failed for me gave it to a friend that trapped totally different then my style and he cleaned up! to this day he still begs for more. Come to find out it shined in timber Which I try and avoid
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
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Yes sir I felt exactly the same way when I first started making my own. I always backed mine up with a proven formula double mouse hole set then the process of elimination started/ Remove the proven to see if it was mine or the combo of the two. Some times the combo proved more deadly then either one as a stand alone. With that said I it only proved complex formulas were a necessary evil
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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I used proven baits till it was sink or swim time ! Now ive got plenty of confidence in my abilitys and what I make. But if you test as much as you say you should no interest and energy they exert to get it are totally different. So in my learning stages I wanted to assure my self that I would be looking at bare dirt on a daily basis. The fastest way to lose confidence is checking empty sets every time. Sure they are curious by nature but they don't just give up there hides with one tiny appealing smell
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
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I don't think its one bit silly! saying that is putting all your faith in one product alone! Never believed in the all the eggs in one basket concept And yes it is rather easy to get a yote to investigate, ive seen in the snow were they sniffed a cigarette butt! But that don't mean I will start putting pall malls in my dirt holes.
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
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It’s a good thing bait and lure are supposed to provide variety, and that one product could provide a lot of it aye? Now forgive me for my ignorance but aren’t the ads pertaining to bait and lure from the wizards with all the knowledge that sprinkle magic juju in their bottles geared to animals “investigating” the product? Things like “ cant resist investigating, come to this one, will make your animal stay around the set, will collect animals, can count on any time of year, investigate this invest that”? The list goes on with the “greatness” of ads. Isn’t that the whole purpose of bait and lure, is to get an animal to that location to “investigate” its odor? Digging, rubbing, rolling after it’s dug up? After the animal is there, if the trapper can’t seal the deal, that isn’t a bait and lure problem. I don’t sit in a bait and lure room with a tinfoil hat on, nor do I set jobs up with one on. I’m not in agreeance with the need to use magic or whatever other bs spins that folks need to chalk up when it comes to bait and lure, it’s unnecessary. I simply allow the animal to tell me what interests them by their responses. How many of these “great” bait and lures sit on trappers shelves, to have another purchased product placed in front of it because it isn’t getting the job done for the individual? Comes down to what works for the individual. “Complex” lures imo isn’t the answer. With ADC work the trapper is absolutely certain that his target is present; homeowners are showing contractors exactly where the critters have been seen. Nothing adc about testing bait and lure out in the field, you either attract them or not. ^^^lol Simple concept.... step one. Build a bait or lure based off of responses from the target animal not off your nose. When testing bait and lure...it has nothing to do with ADC or knowing where the animal is. Step 2. Punch holes and place bait in them. Step 3. Trail cam if you want if not check them for activity. I don't test side by side until a final product has been put together. Even then, results speak for themselves Step 4.. Do this on a consistent basis through out the year regardless of season, then repeat process. You can come up with any excuse you want on why one needs magic in a bottle, it's bs. I believe you will get more out of putting in the work than relying on some magic juju. This is just how I like to do things, the "experts" probably have way "cooler" ways.
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
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tdhp I don't buy into the hype! Personally id rather know a little about whats in side the bottle instead of what its supposed to do outside of it. Joe you might be correct! The year I tried that mouse bait our vole population apexed that year. I was trapping open ag ground the other guy was trapping timber and ridges. So id say your assumption was correct they was probably just sick of eating rodents in my area But ill never compare fur trapping to adc trapping! Totally different monster
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Re: Question for TDHP about testing lures
[Re: clintp1971]
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How will I know when I’m good enough to try, can I count on you guys to tell me?????? Who cares? If you’re willing to miss fur in order to give it a try because it’s something that seems interesting to you and you’d like to learn more about it, let her rip. To clarify - I’m not saying you WILL miss fur, I’m just saying you have to be willing to take that risk while you develop your own formulas. If you aren’t making a living off of trapping and you’re doing it for enjoyment, and you think working on your own baits and lures will enhance that enjoyment, get after it. It should always be fun. When rules are applied, fun levels decrease.
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