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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: rpmartin] #6547024
05/31/19 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
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The dominant male in a group of coyotes, stupid.


That was completely unnecessary!!

OK SORRY, it was sort of a joke repeating what he said.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: tbn] #6547093
05/31/19 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tbn
If I remember right,you are 13,so not a stupid question. There has been talk of having to catch the alpha male first,which is retarded. You catch them all as the come thru,is the goal. There is nothing saying that the alpha was not already taken or died on a highway or even still part of the pack structure. If that is fact, then there are folks catching the same numbers and more that don't buy into that crap.

Thanks. I'm 14.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: otterdog] #6547097
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Originally Posted by otterdog
Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Ask Mark June




Why are there so many Mark June haters on here? Is it just petty jealousy or has the guy really done something to serve all the hate?
Just curious.

I love MarkJune!

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547100
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I don't believe yotes are as territorial as some think.Years of running hounds has proved that repeatedly. Sure they protect there core area but I think that's way smaller then one might think. Honestly I think the term alpha is used loosely in the yote world.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547245
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Originally Posted by AuthorTrapper
Originally Posted by bctomcat
The dominant male in a group of coyotes, stupid.

Sorry.



nothing to be sorry for. .asking questions is how you learn.


my dad used to say...... theres no such a thing as a stupid question only stupid answers.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: otterdog] #6547252
05/31/19 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by otterdog
Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Ask Mark June




Why are there so many Mark June haters on here? Is it just petty jealousy or has the guy really done something to serve all the hate?
Just curious.

I don't see anything hateful in my post. Mark June has written extensively about what he believes to be the alpha coyote if you've read his books. If you believe there's such a thing as an alpha coyote (which I don't) he'd be the guy to contact.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547512
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Danny is right, coyotes don't hunt in packs like wolves, though they will when food is scarce and do run in family units with young. Mostly I see them run alone or in male/female pairs, as most of my doubles are male/female. I've caught one yote that I would consider an "alpha", a big old 42 lbs. red/blonde dog with worn down teeth. While most yotes tuck tail and cower down, this guy laid back his ears, hair standing up, gums rolled back with teeth showing, wanting to tear me in half. I don't think there was anything special about him or any effects from removing him from the area.

Ask all the questions you can, it's how you learn. There is no smart and stupid only trained and untrained.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547525
06/01/19 09:09 AM
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Ok AT I'm going to take a stab at this too.

IMHO I think they are all individuals. You can make sets for certain types and target them specifically but it's not a sure thing. We have different types of coyote here - some are western and some eastern and lots of different colors. A dominant make here can be 45 lbs and act pretty tough in a trap but sometimes you catch what you think is a big bad one he will do everything including roll over on his back and be totally submissive. With fur trapping I try to get the quick easy ones. On removal jobs I trap diffidently and make sets for young ones ad older ones.When things work you are ten feet tall. Sometimes it's a huge wreck too. They are coyotes.
If you have any dens around you can find the Alpha male's bed close by. If you don't get too close you might be able to see him hanging around or coming and going for food. The pups are out by now so you might be able to hear them. Pretty soon they will start howling in groups. If you see them usually the pups act like pups and play around. The alpha male will look bigger and have wider set apart ears. I tend to not call him the alpha male but just '' the male''

In my strange way of thinking it's kind of like this. The male usually comes first to a rabbit squeal and either gets the rabbit and has to share or he gets shot by someone blowing a call. The female will be looking for another mate pretty quick to help her with the pups. They don't mate for life - some new guy will come to her call within a few days if the first one gets picked off and usually he picks up where the old one left off. The new guy would be called the alpha male then - This is what I understand people are saying but is he really?
To me comparing coyotes is more like comparing different married couples. To have an alpha male you have to have an alpha female- right? In one couple the male is the boss and the female does what he says but then I'm sure you know some couples where the wife is running the poor husband all over the place. I would not call him an alpha male.
So you're settin there calling and out pops the whipped husband ( you think he is the alpha male) and he keeps looking back at Lulu and she keeps telling him to get out there and '' get out there and get that rabbit stupid if you know what's good for you'' so he does and dies - then she starts the Lulu show all over with a new guy unless he whips hers into shape - which I would assume might night work because she's a battle ax.

But someone is after a male and female coyote with pups they call them the alpha male and alpha female- why alpha when there is only one of each? I don't know. There are times when there is a multi generational group of coyotes with young of the year from last year or a sister to the bred female hanging around. I could see that but it is not that common here so we just call then the male and the female.

They aren't really pack animals as mentioned before. Maybe we do need some new words to describe them?


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547548
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Maybe Mark will tell why you have to catch the alpha male first. Maybe with the number one selling bait in America,fresh not tainted of course.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547587
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I've been told by more than one coyote expert that catching the dominant female first is the way to go. Most of the toughest coyotes I've encountered where the old girls, the males seem more aggressive and more prone to works sets. In my mind you can't define the alpha the way they act when their in a trap, it's how they're viewed by other coyotes. Size doesn't matter with canines!


I only see pack hunting here if and when the snow gets deep, normally 4 to a pack, made up of 2 pairs that share the territory.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547601
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Well when I trap coyotes I set a trap for what ever comes along weather It's female or a male or a pup. I would drive myself crazy trying to just target one single animal on one property. Are you putting up signs saying "Dominate Dog Only"?

The rational Is If you take out the dominate male or female you stand a better chance of taking the young of the year. Some will say that the dominate male or female will keep the young of the year from committing to a set. I don't know If that Is true or not but I'm not going to lose any sleep over It.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547611
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One good reply from MJ would bring ten pages of alphaness.
Come on MJ we are over due for a good coyote read.

I had that 10 feet tall feeling a few times, then it was quickly back to humble pie.
I do think catching the elders first makes the others easier.
I also know that I can not make that happen.

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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547620
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I’m envious of those that have the populations of coyotes to attempt to target just adult coyotes. I find tracks that I can make out and make a set. Adult or pup, I don’t care. Just want to catch whatever wants to check it out.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547624
06/01/19 12:18 PM
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Most of us that trap coyotes have are theories about them. And as we learn more about coyotes are own theories change. I bet at some level there are differences though it might be slight amongst guys that have made their living trapping coyotes their whole lives. If someone else's theory doesn't jive with your who cares. I like hearing others theories even if they aren't the same as mine. I don't think we should but someone down because they don't see things the same as we do. Or we would end up with a forum of one on here.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547628
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The point is,Author Trapper is 14 years old. He deserves to be steered down a clear path.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547633
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I am with you. And I understand your point.But I hate to see a thread turn into a personal attack. I've seen stuff on here from others that I dont agree based what I've seen from coyotes but I try to just share what my theory and go on. Over time you start seeing for yourself which theories and which trappers seem to have merit based off what you see yourself from the coyotes.

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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: bctomcat] #6547642
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Originally Posted by bctomcat
The dominant male in a group of coyotes, stupid.


That's uncalled for.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547651
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Author trapper here is a.piece of advise.
Learn the basics then ,,, catch a 100 coyotes,,, by then you will have something that works FOR YOU then change things as needed.
As far as catching what coyote first there certain times a year to target the Male or female.
Always and never are tricky words.
Like all young males when you get 25 you will think that you are the alpha Male
just a some thoughts
have wonderful day

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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547685
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Gang set-catch them all.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6547689
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That's the best advice I've seen so far.


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